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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: someGuyInKansas] #8460748
08/29/25 01:17 PM
08/29/25 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by someGuyInKansas
Funny how everyone draws the purity line exactly where their gear ends. Stricter than me? You’re a fanatic. Looser than me? You’re a cheater.

To keep my conscience clean, I’ve gone fully primitive. I hunt only with:
– A bow gnawed from a tree branch, strung with critter intestines.
– A knife I personally forged in the fires of Mordor before I let Sauron take over the plant.

And when that was called “cheating,” I went purist for the next three seasons: leaping from treetops and finishing deer with my bare teeth. No hypocrisy here.


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Eh...wot?

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: The Beav] #8460751
08/29/25 01:24 PM
08/29/25 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Well, I'm going out Sept 13th with my cross bow and taking the first deer, I see.

Can't wait to see a picture Mr. Beav sir . Good luck


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8460752
08/29/25 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
My point was everyone could of hunted 3 months already, they just didn't want to spend a few mins a week practicing.

We are a one deer limit in most of the state and bucks only in some of that. There's already tremendous pressure on the resource, next year rifles will be legal state wide which will add additional pressure. The legislator didn't have to add even more pressure with xbows.

I've had 3 calls this year asking to lease my land for hunting, maybe 1 call total in 10 years before that. The legislator added enough pressure on the resource to the point that the only realistic way to succeed (locally) is to buy or lease land. No longer can a kid get a $50 bow at the flea market and hunt in realitive peace with a chance of success, now they also need to lease some land. I guess it's worth it because now the boomers can get a crossbow and hunt without having to practice...


Basically sounds like a lot of just wanting to limit people to what you wat to use so you get less pressure for your deer. If you can't kill One deer in 3 months without wanting to limit others people ability to hunt with their tool of choice it sure says a lot.

There is nothing magical about shooting a compound Started shooting deer with them when I was 14. Killed my first several deer with a bow before I ever picked up a gun to hunt them. Hunted with a bow during gun season many years as well. X bows are not magic and do have some drawbacks. Someone already pointed out they limit shots you can take with a vertical bow when a deer is behind your tree. They also suck carrying them in compared to a vertical bow. Vertical just carries easer for me.

But I got it you dont like more competition in the woods and just want to use anything that gets people out of the wood untill you get your deer. You could not bee any more clear. Im just the opposite and want to see more people geting out and enjoying the outdoors. Even when out with the boys if I see other heading to and area on public land we just smile and tell them a good spot over there and head off somewhere else and hope they are successful.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: DelawareRob] #8460756
08/29/25 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
I just looked through our regs. It seems we can now only kill 6 a hunter in the state. Unless Its urban deer dones or state park hunts and refugee hunts. those dont count. We used to be able to travel around the state and shoot the limit of anterless for each county. I think it was changed this year. Back when I was doing some shooting and not just taking the kids some years I was tagging 14 plus.

Amazing I addressed you. Want to limit x bow to a special seasion. OK no problem But it needs to be x bow only and not vertical bows allowed. Should restrict archery gear during firearms and black powder seasion as well.


The problem is you want and like to be able to hunt your way all seasion in every seasion. Start talking about limiting that and you are not happy. One of those all about me and my way individuals.



Dang, that sucks. Why did they lower the limit? Too many deer harvested?

Guess y’all will have to start hunting urban deer or by a beef or two to raise.



Im not sure . Seemes they change the rules so much from year to year these days its ridiculous. I have several guns bought to fill the restrictions placed for hunting public land I no longer need. This year they opend it up to anything 223 and up. Used to need to be 357 diameter and under a certain length limiting it to handgun rounds and th8ngs like 350 legend and such.

Legal handguns need to have a 4" barrel and length min of 1.? to make things like 9mm and 45 acp not legal. BUT there is an exception and 10 mm and 40 s&w ARE legal. You know becuse 40 Smith and Wesson is a much beter round the 45acp. That duplicates some weak 45 colt loads and 45 colt is legal.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460761
08/29/25 01:54 PM
08/29/25 01:54 PM
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Two things can be true at the same time and also can coexist. For example...
I'll always consider able bodied people who are fully capable of drawing a bow to be lazy. Slant it anyway you want , but the fact is, you just don't want to spend the time being proficient and got frustrated getting busted drawing your bow.

However ...

I've actually fought against my own bow hunting organizations who were against x-bows. I saw the writing on the wall and saw where Oklahoma's Dept. of Wildlife Conservation interests were. More deer need to be harvested and more tags sold. Nor was I one of those that called my elected officials to air my grievances against them .

smile


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8460766
08/29/25 02:08 PM
08/29/25 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
My point was everyone could of hunted 3 months already, they just didn't want to spend a few mins a week practicing.


I'm curious where your thought lie on allowing non-resident trapping in MN.?

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: ~ADC~] #8460774
08/29/25 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
My point was everyone could of hunted 3 months already, they just didn't want to spend a few mins a week practicing.


I'm curious where your thought lie on allowing non-resident trapping in MN.?

We should allow it. May have to have additional restrictions on some species like marten and fisher but the blanket ban is unhelpful, we need the support of out of state trappers and organizations and few people would say the resources here are stressed by resident trappers.


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460778
08/29/25 02:25 PM
08/29/25 02:25 PM
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Sounds good. I agree with your stance on it.

You all can carry on with the crossbow argument.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #8460780
08/29/25 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
Two things can be true at the same time and also can coexist. For example...
I'll always consider able bodied people who are fully capable of drawing a bow to be lazy. Slant it anyway you want , but the fact is, you just don't want to spend the time being proficient and got frustrated getting busted drawing your bow.

However ...

I've actually fought against my own bow hunting organizations who were against x-bows. I saw the writing on the wall and saw where Oklahoma's Dept. of Wildlife Conservation interests were. More deer need to be harvested and more tags sold. Nor was I one of those that called my elected officials to air my grievances against them .

smile



Now now Aaron, don’t bring behaving like an adult into this. lol.


That’s a very reasonable stance sir .




Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460781
08/29/25 02:28 PM
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I totally agree that compounds are nothing special and not hard to pick up and become competent with. We've already saw a massive uptick in deer being taken with xbows and liscenses sold. This will result in more 1 deer areas, more buck only areas and more leases.

At this point I support a longer rifle season and doing away with a special archery season, atleast then the woods open to small game and trapping when it's done.


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460783
08/29/25 02:28 PM
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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8460784
08/29/25 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I totally agree that compounds are nothing special and not hard to pick up and become competent with. We've already saw a massive uptick in deer being taken with xbows and liscenses sold. This will result in more 1 deer areas, more buck only areas and more leases.

At this point I support a longer rifle season and doing away with a special archery season, atleast then the woods open to small game and trapping when it's done.



Do they close trapping and small game hunting when your archery and firearms season is open? That sounds dumb if they do.




Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460785
08/29/25 02:32 PM
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hate to break it to all the crossbows aren't archery people out there but they are.

Archery is the use of bows and arrows.

a crossBOW is a bow, a bow being the bent force of a beam to store energy and release it thus propelling an arrow.


Its just as much a bow as a compound is, both using the bent beams and pulleys.

The bolt of a crossbow is still an arrow, different than an old school wooded arrow with feather fletching but still an arrow.

The biggest difference is the crossbow stores much more energy than either a compound, recurve or long bow.

It certainly isn't and air gun or a firearm.

Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #8460787
08/29/25 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
Two things can be true at the same time and also can coexist. For example...
I'll always consider able bodied people who are fully capable of drawing a bow to be lazy. Slant it anyway you want , but the fact is, you just don't want to spend the time being proficient and got frustrated getting busted drawing your bow.

However ...

I've actually fought against my own bow hunting organizations who were against x-bows. I saw the writing on the wall and saw where Oklahoma's Dept. of Wildlife Conservation interests were. More deer need to be harvested and more tags sold. Nor was I one of those that called my elected officials to air my grievances against them .

smile

Being busted is probably the least of anyones reasons for going with the crossbow. Though for guys that hunt out of box blinds its a bit harder to shoot a regular bow out of a box blind.



Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: DelawareRob] #8460790
08/29/25 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I totally agree that compounds are nothing special and not hard to pick up and become competent with. We've already saw a massive uptick in deer being taken with xbows and liscenses sold. This will result in more 1 deer areas, more buck only areas and more leases.

At this point I support a longer rifle season and doing away with a special archery season, atleast then the woods open to small game and trapping when it's done.



Do they close trapping and small game hunting when your archery and firearms season is open? That sounds dumb if they do.

No, the majority of landowners just won't allow anyone to hunt or trap until deer season is over. Deer season is roughly Sept 15th to Dec 31st now.


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460793
08/29/25 02:47 PM
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That's why leasing is a plague for farmers. If they want small game animals or does managed off their property they cant lease their property. Or they need to instead of leasing, sell hunts for the prerut and rut times then go back normal after.

Haven't been able to talk farmers into raising cost of the lease and sending me the increase to come in and do the wildlife control later yet



Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460799
08/29/25 02:55 PM
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Shouldn't be hating on any kind of hunting that's legal, the anti's love it..


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #8460818
08/29/25 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
I'll always consider able bodied people who are fully capable of drawing a bow to be lazy. Slant it anyway you want , but the fact is, you just don't want to spend the time being proficient and got frustrated getting busted drawing your bow.

Then is a person like me who is proficient with a compound bow lazy when I hunt with a rifle?


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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Pafoxman] #8460822
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Re: Who hates crossbows?? [Re: Patrice] #8460875
08/29/25 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrice
Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
I'll always consider able bodied people who are fully capable of drawing a bow to be lazy. Slant it anyway you want , but the fact is, you just don't want to spend the time being proficient and got frustrated getting busted drawing your bow.

Then is a person like me who is proficient with a compound bow lazy when I hunt with a rifle?


You're using a rifle during the appointed season. That's not the same comparison.


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