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Re: Inflation [Re: Dirt] #8460998
08/29/25 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Money just facilitates barter. U.S. money is backed by faith. The money supply has been decreasing due to QT and yet inflation persists. Inflation has many causes other than increasing money supply. I'll apparently never get it. smile

"The U.S. money supply has experienced a significant period of contraction, particularly from late 2022 through much of 2024. The year-over-year growth in the money supply, measured by the Rothbard-Salerno money supply (TMS), was negative for seventeen consecutive months, with the decline being the largest since the Great Depression.
This contraction was driven by the Federal Reserve's quantitative tightening, which reduced its balance sheet, and higher interest rates, which led to a decline in savings deposits."

Source: Goldmansachs.com


Exactly, fiat money is backed by faith (confidence) money is a confidence game.
Therefore, do not equate value with price.


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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461003
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Goldmansacs——Barrons——WSJ——all the rest,,,,


They are selling you a bunch of outdated (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman),,,,, protecting their interests

Look thru all that,,,

Re: Inflation [Re: spjones] #8461008
08/29/25 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by spjones
Goldmansacs——Barrons——WSJ——all the rest,,,,


They are selling you a bunch of outdated (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman),,,,, protecting their interests

Look thru all that,,,




In what way?


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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461012
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All of this being said, investing in going concerns of intrinsic value (stock in solid corporations) is your best bet to grow your wealth.


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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461014
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Investinging in the S&P 473 isn’t actually that great,,,, hasn’t been for awhile

Yotetrapper,,,,,, they are selling their own book

The money printing,,,,increasing the money supply is the most important thing to think about,,,


Seriously,,,, think about it,,,


You(anyone) can to well,,, once you understand

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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461023
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There is a lot of talk about interest rates and that gets most of the media attention and also from the administration, but the fed can actually contol the amount of money avalible by open markets and buying T bond which puts money in the market as well as lowering the bank reserves which allows banks to lend out more money as they don't need to hold as much back. Yes interest rates are ways to slow the economy or an attempt to keep inflation lower but it is only one tool in the tool kit. Lowering reserve percentages can put high risk taking banks in some poor positions when there are big asset value downward swings.

Bryce

Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461025
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Trumpster wants lower interest rates cuz the payments on the existing debt is so huge,,,,massive,,,,,37 trillion and growing by the second!!

That number is staggering!! And it’s only going to grow..no matter how hard they try to lower it, cut it back


It’s the same with all governments(and businesses) around the world ,,,all debt holders for that matter(mortgage holders) etc

Sucks if you actually have money,,,,and want to earn money from what you have in the “bank”. You would actually be losing money,,,,

The world is running on “easy money”,,,, it needs easy money for things to move forward,,

They are not going to stop issuing “easy money”

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Re: Inflation [Re: spjones] #8461044
08/30/25 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by spjones
The world is running on “easy money”,,,, it needs easy money for things to move forward,,

They are not going to stop issuing “easy money”

NOTHING STOPS THiS TRAIN

Inflation certainly stops easy money. We got a good taste of it during the Biden years until the Fed significantly raised interest rates.

It's not the last taste we'll have of it until lessons are learned.

Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461128
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The Trump Admin is getting blamed for the increase in electric bills, but what has really happened is the subsidies for green energy (wind and solar) have been stopped and the consumer has make up the difference. Folks often fail to recognize that they were the ones paying for the subsidies to begin with via their taxes.

Re: Inflation [Re: bblwi] #8461162
08/30/25 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bblwi
There is a lot of talk about interest rates and that gets most of the media attention and also from the administration, but the fed can actually contol the amount of money avalible by open markets and buying T bond which puts money in the market as well as lowering the bank reserves which allows banks to lend out more money as they don't need to hold as much back. Yes interest rates are ways to slow the economy or an attempt to keep inflation lower but it is only one tool in the tool kit. Lowering reserve percentages can put high risk taking banks in some poor positions when there are big asset value downward swings.

Bryce


Hey Bryce, you realize there are no reserve requirements for banks anymore, right?


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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461499
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Which is a bigger issue than inflation to me as there are lenders who may well put themselves in real risky loans. Some have not learned very much or more likely forgot what happened 17 years ago, and have short memories or in many cases new managers etc. that have not lived through huge defaults.

The bank we deal with has never gone over the 70% mark, most times the are quite a bit below. They are doing well and now have 3 locations and are local in ownership. They work hard at being able to not be bought out by the larger banks merging in our area.

Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461514
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Ammo is through the roof. So are firearms. I may never need anymore of each at my age. Doubt I can shoot what I have, but I don’t even shop anymore with the high prices I see.

Re: Inflation [Re: bblwi] #8461526
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Originally Posted by bblwi
Which is a bigger issue than inflation to me as there are lenders who may well put themselves in real risky loans. Some have not learned very much or more likely forgot what happened 17 years ago, and have short memories or in many cases new managers etc. that have not lived through huge defaults.

The bank we deal with has never gone over the 70% mark, most times the are quite a bit below. They are doing well and now have 3 locations and are local in ownership. They work hard at being able to not be bought out by the larger banks merging in our area.


Most banks do still keep reserves as the Fed pays interest on the reserves they keep, but it's not a legal requirement anymore.


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Re: Inflation [Re: yotetrapper30] #8461543
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by bblwi
There is a lot of talk about interest rates and that gets most of the media attention and also from the administration, but the fed can actually contol the amount of money avalible by open markets and buying T bond which puts money in the market as well as lowering the bank reserves which allows banks to lend out more money as they don't need to hold as much back. Yes interest rates are ways to slow the economy or an attempt to keep inflation lower but it is only one tool in the tool kit. Lowering reserve percentages can put high risk taking banks in some poor positions when there are big asset value downward swings.

Bryce


Hey Bryce, you realize there are no reserve requirements for banks anymore, right?


The statement that banks in the United States are no longer required to hold reserve requirements is not true. As of March 2020, the Federal Reserve Board reduced reserve requirement ratios to zero percent, effective March 26, 2020. This change eliminated reserve requirements for all depository institutions, allowing banks to lend more money to customers without holding the corresponding cash reserves. However, this change was a response to the COVID-19 pandemic and is not a permanent policy. Reserve requirements are still in place, but at a significantly lower level, and banks are required to meet liquidity requirements, which still involve holding some cash reserves.
Federal Reserve Board


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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461550
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I think it is all relative to value except when the government dictates wages/prices. For example a company has to pay 17 dollars per hour as a minimum per the state. Prices go up on stuff but the per hour wage does not. Perhaps because the company can not charge more for their produced item and the state knows it. Inflation is not fair to the entire economy. Bunch of rules at different levels that effect buy/sell, industry costs/wages, government supplements, etc...

The dollar being a place card globally, for value, does not work. Shortly after "Covid" in my area you could not get .410 shells (nor toilet paper). I needed some so I reached out to friend and traded for some with steaks. We figured what each were going for and valued our trade fairly. Could not do this using my hours worked for shells. My percentage of hours worked versus item purchased would be crazy.

Our economy is very controlled. The only freedom is little to no debt and have something other then money for trade. I know this is not an option for most. My 2 cents.

Re: Inflation [Re: trappingthomas] #8461554
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Originally Posted by trappingthomas
I think it is all relative to value except when the government dictates wages/prices. For example a company has to pay 17 dollars per hour as a minimum per the state. Prices go up on stuff but the per hour wage does not. Perhaps because the company can not charge more for their produced item and the state knows it. Inflation is not fair to the entire economy. Bunch of rules at different levels that effect buy/sell, industry costs/wages, government supplements, etc...

The dollar being a place card globally, for value, does not work. Shortly after "Covid" in my area you could not get .410 shells (nor toilet paper). I needed some so I reached out to friend and traded for some with steaks. We figured what each were going for and valued our trade fairly. Could not do this using my hours worked for shells. My percentage of hours worked versus item purchased would be crazy.

Our economy is very controlled. The only freedom is little to no debt and have something other then money for trade. I know this is not an option for most. My 2 cents.

Yes, prices go up for many reasons and wages is a great example. Local taxes government requirements that tell companies they have to do this and that.
I see many things lower and stable in pricing and nothing more then that things go up in price. We don't in the 1900's any more.

I see tariffs have lowered prices on some products that I use and one is steel the price has gone down. This whole turning of the table will really show its true colors in time.


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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461576
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Hey Bryce, you realize there are no reserve requirements for banks anymore, right?


The statement that banks in the United States are no longer required to hold reserve requirements is not true. As of March 2020, the Federal Reserve Board reduced reserve requirement ratios to zero percent, effective March 26, 2020. This change eliminated reserve requirements for all depository institutions, allowing banks to lend more money to customers without holding the corresponding cash reserves. However, this change was a response to the COVID-19 pandemic and is not a permanent policy. Reserve requirements are still in place, but at a significantly lower level, and banks are required to meet liquidity requirements, which still involve holding some cash reserves.
Federal Reserve Board


Hmm. I mean, I guess it's true that 0% is a significantly lower level. LOL. Yes, by law, there is still a reserve requirement on paper, but it has been and still is 0% since 2020. This helps explain.

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...irements-of-depository-institutions?utm_


Effective March 26, 2020, the Board reduced reserve requirement ratios on all net transaction accounts to zero percent, eliminating reserve requirements for all depository institutions. The annual indexation of the reserve requirement exemption amount and the low reserve tranche for 2025 is required by statute but will not affect depository institutions' reserve requirements, which will remain zero.


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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461587
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When the federal reserve buys treasury bonds,,,,,,,,,basically it’s own debt

They are creating money out of nothing,,,increasing money supply/devaluing the dollar. Causing inflation

Some auctions are weekly,,,monthly,,,,,others quarterly

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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461642
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One more time the Federal reserve has been lowering their treasury ownership . This means they were decreasing the money supply. The last few years with bond yields attractive individual investors have been buying more bonds. This will change once interest rates drop again. They also can create money by buying Mortgage Backed Securities that pay little to no interest. They seem to be having trouble unloading these?


"Quantitative Tightening vs. Quantitative Easing: What Is the Difference?
Quantitative easing refers to monetary policies that expand the Federal Reserve System (Fed) balance sheet. The Fed does this by going into the open market and buying longer-term government bonds as well as other types of assets, such as mortgage-backed securities (MBS). This adds money to the economy, which serves to lower interest rates and increase spending. Quantitative tightening, on the other hand, does the exact opposite. It shrinks the Fed’s balance sheet by either selling Treasurys (government bonds) or letting them mature and removing them from its cash balances. This removes money from the economy and leads to higher interest rates.
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Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. “What Is Quantitative Tightening?” "


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Re: Inflation [Re: snowy] #8461653
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The money supply has been decreasing is true. Price inflation is still higher than what the fed would like.


IMHO it's most likely a hangover from the ridiculous amount the world created since 2008.

It's going to get real interesting when they start to flood the supply again.

The only thing banks have learned is the can make poor decisions and get bailed out by Joe Q public


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