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Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: 2zwudz] #8462158
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Think about it, if everyone got healed every time, no believers would ever die. Kinda hard to g to heaven that way.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: 2zwudz] #8462163
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Just remember the last pope was all for illegal immigration but yet there’s a wall around the Vatican. My mother raised me a Catholic but I’ve only been in church at funerals in last 59 years . It’s all about a buck

Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: Giant Sage] #8462217
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
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Keith,
These churches existed in the 1st century.
Revelation 1:4
I'm not sure where you get the idea all churches begin with The Catholic Church.

None of those were Protestants.

Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: NorthwesternYote] #8462251
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Originally Posted by NorthwesternYote
Originally Posted by Giant Sage
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Keith,
These churches existed in the 1st century.
Revelation 1:4
I'm not sure where you get the idea all churches begin with The Catholic Church.

None of those were Protestants.

When it started, denominations didn't exist. It was just "The Way."


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: PAskinner] #8462261
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Think about it, if everyone got healed every time, no believers would ever die. Kinda hard to g to heaven that way.

This.
If death, disease, and bad stuff didn't happen, that would mean we are living in heaven. That option got screwed up a long time ago.


"My life is better than your vacation"
Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: 2zwudz] #8462262
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Fear

Fear of losing tax exempt
Fear of offending the biggest tithers
Fear of upsetting the older members
Fear of running off the new attenders
Fear of the women
Fear of the men
Fear of upsetting the denomination
Fear of the Deacons/Elders

"For God hath not given us a spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." 2 Timothy 1:7

We need more Martin Luthers

"Here I stand; I cannot do otherwise, so help me God!" Martin Luther


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Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: 2zwudz] #8462269
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I am a deep blue bird and God in Jesus Christ. I also do know that society has made a dramatic left turn. It’s easier to fill the pulpit and your sanctuary with people feeling a need for saving from a church or a following. When people don’t realize his faith comes from your heart and your soul in a belief of something you can’t see or touch. Within that faith it’s having the commitment to take up your cross daily. I feel as our society and many of the people within most religions have learned to go with the flow and try and bend their religion to outwardly project themselves as good people. All I know is that when I go to heaven and I pace God and Jesus that is right that I will be humble within my sins. I have sought and continue to seek forgiveness for my actions where I have wronged. Society has just gave up stopped arguing stop following the laws of the Bible and a loud things that are complete work of demons. I still go to church, but I don’t have to follow their rhetoric or believe everything they say. I read the word of God daily almost 3 times if not more throughout the day, I pray continuously and seek God‘s wisdom. Honestly think that’s where we’ve started to fall down as a people as a human race. We have forgotten others. There is a master and a savior.

Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: PAskinner] #8462283
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
When it started, denominations didn't exist. It was just "The Way."

And the idea of sola scriptura was proclaimed by Martin Luther in the 1500s. For the churches that maintained Apostolic Succession (Catholic, Orthodox, Church of the East) dating back to "The Way" of the early church, it's quite a novel concept.

Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: NorthwesternYote] #8462384
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Originally Posted by NorthwesternYote
Originally Posted by PAskinner
When it started, denominations didn't exist. It was just "The Way."

And the idea of sola scriptura was proclaimed by Martin Luther in the 1500s. For the churches that maintained Apostolic Succession (Catholic, Orthodox, Church of the East) dating back to "The Way" of the early church, it's quite a novel concept.

You don't have to believe in sola scriptura to be a Protestant. The more charismatic churches teach that God definitely speaks to people directly today. Because that's what scripture says.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: NorthwesternYote] #8462386
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Originally Posted by NorthwesternYote
Originally Posted by PAskinner
When it started, denominations didn't exist. It was just "The Way."

And the idea of sola scriptura was proclaimed by Martin Luther in the 1500s. For the churches that maintained Apostolic Succession (Catholic, Orthodox, Church of the East) dating back to "The Way" of the early church, it's quite a novel concept.


Are you familiar with the Jewish Nazarenes. They took head of Jesus's warnings and left Jerusalem before the 70 AD distruction. They were of the first fruits of Jesus. They were around until 700 somthing when the Muslims finished them. They were enemies of the non believing jews, and enemies of the Gentile Christians concerning
the gospel. Because they followed the old covenant laws. Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
They where also enemies of the catholic church. And they were heavily persecuted by the Arion Christians be for the Muslims. There guys where protesting the Popos before there were Popes lol. Constantine became a Christian,
He didn't start Christianity.


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Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: 2zwudz] #8462418
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I'm not a religious guy, never have been a church goer and was raised that way. I know my Dad's family was Catholic. We never attended Church. I was baptized Methodist at around 20 so I could be a Godparent to my nephew.

I went to my wife's Church (not Catholic) several times on Christmas Eve as that's what she did. My wife's parents were devoted members of the church they went to and my wife attended most of the time with them until her early 20's and she got a job that she worked weekends. Her parents attended consistently and volunteered at most events along with cleaning the Church as well. After her Dad's death her Mom's attendance fell off a few years later and they had a hard time keeping a Pastor which also contributed to that. However her Mom gave to the Church monthly, not a small amount either even though she didn't have a lot of money. Later in life as her mind was failing (dementia) she was a bit too generous to the Church as my wife was balancing her checkbook until she finally took it away. The Pastor was aware of her failing mind but it didn't seem to matter as long as the checks were coming, quite often multiple donations a month. To me it was wrong on every level and jaded me even more on organized religion than I already was. It's a money grab at the core. I don't care if you like that or not and you can say it's not that way everywhere but follow the money.

I'm not a perfect person and never will claim to be. I do believe in God and a higher power but I'll donate to charities and organizations I want to and agree with their goals. I won't be donating to a Church that will decide what to do with it or keep it for themselves. I've seen enough of the Pope and the Catholic Church that I'm glad I'm not a part of it. From the rape of choir boys that was and is still being covered up to being for illegal immigration to being against Capitalism. I have no problem if you're Catholic and a follower as that's your decision and only yours. The same can likely be said for other religions as well.

jalstat was right in his post. Follow the money.



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Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: 2zwudz] #8462421
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Churches for whatever reason have left their parishioners.

Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: Badger23] #8462433
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Originally Posted by Badger23
I'm not a religious guy, never have been a church goer and was raised that way. I know my Dad's family was Catholic. We never attended Church. I was baptized Methodist at around 20 so I could be a Godparent to my nephew.

I went to my wife's Church (not Catholic) several times on Christmas Eve as that's what she did. My wife's parents were devoted members of the church they went to and my wife attended most of the time with them until her early 20's and she got a job that she worked weekends. Her parents attended consistently and volunteered at most events along with cleaning the Church as well. After her Dad's death her Mom's attendance fell off a few years later and they had a hard time keeping a Pastor which also contributed to that. However her Mom gave to the Church monthly, not a small amount either even though she didn't have a lot of money. Later in life as her mind was failing (dementia) she was a bit too generous to the Church as my wife was balancing her checkbook until she finally took it away. The Pastor was aware of her failing mind but it didn't seem to matter as long as the checks were coming, quite often multiple donations a month. To me it was wrong on every level and jaded me even more on organized religion than I already was. It's a money grab at the core. I don't care if you like that or not and you can say it's not that way everywhere but follow the money.

I'm not a perfect person and never will claim to be. I do believe in God and a higher power but I'll donate to charities and organizations I want to and agree with their goals. I won't be donating to a Church that will decide what to do with it or keep it for themselves. I've seen enough of the Pope and the Catholic Church that I'm glad I'm not a part of it. From the rape of choir boys that was and is still being covered up to being for illegal immigration to being against Capitalism. I have no problem if you're Catholic and a follower as that's your decision and only yours. The same can likely be said for other religions as well.

jalstat was right in his post. Follow the money.



What's the Catholic doctrine on being for illegal immigration and being against capitalism? Is that in the Catechism sonewhere?

Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: 2zwudz] #8462436
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What's the Catholic doctrine on being for illegal immigration and being against capitalism? Is that in the Catechism sonewhere?

No,..it's in their sermons,. A refuge if you will,...not limited to the Catholics.

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Originally Posted by mnsota
What's the Catholic doctrine on being for illegal immigration and being against capitalism? Is that in the Catechism sonewhere?

No,..it's in their sermons,. A refuge if you will,...not limited to the Catholics.

You listen to lots of Catholic sermons, then?

Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: 2zwudz] #8462442
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Don't try to,..just an observation,..ngo' carry their weight.
Go to any major city,..a refuge ,..sanctuary shrouded in political determination.

Re: Why do churches not….? [Re: 2zwudz] #8462567
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Catholic Charities and Lutheran Social Services are responsible for bringing a lot of these refugees into the country. They were well paid for every family they sponsored.


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