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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: yotetrapper30] #8464633
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Simmer down there, Yes Sir, lol. While Dirt's post had nothing to do with the topic at hand as far as I can see, it wasn't political, it was economical.


Actually, I think that was the news that Trump was trying to distract from?


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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: Yes sir] #8464634
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by Dirt
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.

On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.

While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."

Newsweek

Mods i request he get a vacation for politics outside of the 2A topic.... grin
At least remove the post for. Intentional attempt at derailing a 2A thread


It's actually on topic. This tranny 2A issue (which is indeed an unconstitutional concept) was floated by Dear Leader as a distraction from the abysmal economic data that Dirt posted, other bad economic data, and, don't forget, the Epstein list.

Re: Defending the 2A [Re: J Staton] #8464638
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Originally Posted by J Staton
How many mass shootings occurred before and after the closure of state nervous hospitals? The firearm is not the problem but the treatment methods for the mentally ill is the problem.


I will go farther and add Social media affecting how people preceve the world around them. We are more digitally connected and have less physical interaction and communication than ever before.

Its easy for the weak minded and gullible to be nudge into action.

Re: Defending the 2A [Re: Dirt] #8464666
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Originally Posted by Dirt
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.

On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.

While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."

Newsweek


HOLY CRAP!!! You mean 4.3 people out of 100 don't have a job!!! Oh the humanity!!!

I love when those with TDS point to something that was labeled and presented by the msm as dire and horrible and a "threat to democracy" but when numbers and facts from those msm idiots are analyzed, intelligent people laugh and shake their head at how dishonest the media is and how gullible those with TDS truly are.

Again, I am giggling and shaking my head at the same time.

Either way, PRESIDENT TRUMP is a genius in how he plays the left and TDS sufferers. I don't know which one lefties and left wing kooks hate more. Rush Limbaugh or PRESIDENT TRUMP. I absolutely love typing PRESIDENT TRUMP. It is most definitely a trigger.

My request is when anyone refers to PRESIDENT TRUMP, for your own entertainment, please type in all caps. Just to see the reaction. It is cheap quality entertainment.


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Defending the 2A [Re: EdP] #8464673
09/06/25 11:22 AM
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Congress makes law, not the executive.


True, but is the criteria regarding mental health reflected in the questions on the ATF form 4473 law actually passed by congress or is it regulation crafted by BATFE? Perhaps you know but I don't. If it is just regulation Trump can drive a change providing it doesn't conflict with the law. In any case, what Trump has done is keep focus on how mental health screening is being done in the NICS process. I see that as a good thing because the current process is obviously not working to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill intent on murder.

The 4473 doesn't ask if you have a mental illness. It asks two specific questions.

1. Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective? (Only a judge can determine this, on an individual basis.The executive branch cannot adjudicate anything, let alone declare an entire class of people mentally defective).

2. Have you ever been committed to a mental institution? (Again, this is done by a judge on an individual basis. The executive branch does not have the power to commit anyone to a mental institution).

It does not matter if you have a mental health condition, including gender dysphoria. It only matters if you've been adjudicated mentally defective or have been committed to a mental health institution.

The "all people that suffer from X mental health condition shouldn't be able to purchase a firearm" is the same reasoning used by Democrats to say all vets with PTSD shouldn't be allowed to purchase a firearm.

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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: loosegoose] #8464735
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Originally Posted by loosegoose

The 4473 doesn't ask if you have a mental illness. It asks two specific questions.

1. Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective? (Only a judge can determine this, on an individual basis.The executive branch cannot adjudicate anything, let alone declare an entire class of people mentally defective).

2. Have you ever been committed to a mental institution? (Again, this is done by a judge on an individual basis. The executive branch does not have the power to commit anyone to a mental institution).

It does not matter if you have a mental health condition, including gender dysphoria. It only matters if you've been adjudicated mentally defective or have been committed to a mental health institution.

The "all people that suffer from X mental health condition shouldn't be able to purchase a firearm" is the same reasoning used by Democrats to say all vets with PTSD shouldn't be allowed to purchase a firearm.





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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: bowhunter27295] #8464750
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It only matters if you've been adjudicated mentally defective or have been committed to a mental health institution.


Exactly right, and that is part of the problem. Implemented in 1998, the impact of the closure of most mental health institutions that had occured over the prior decades was not recognized. Many who walk the streets today would have been placed in institutions in the early 1980s. New criteria are needed and perhaps a deeper dive into specific groups with mental health issues (gender dysphoria, PTSD,...). That's not saying all in a particular group should be banned. That would be discriminatory, but perhaps further evaluation is justified. A time limit is still needed to prevent bureacratic abuse.

Re: Defending the 2A [Re: bowhunter27295] #8465890
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Dirt
"The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) has again handed President Donald Trump an even bleaker set of jobs numbers, just one month after he fired the agency's commissioner over weak employment data.

On Friday morning, the BLS reported that nonfarm payroll employment rose by only 22,000 in August. Analysts had forecast the economy adding 75,000 jobs during the month. According to the agency, gains made in health care were offset by losses in federal government employment, as well as mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction.

While July's figures were revised up to 79,000 from 73,000, June's numbers were revised down by 27,000, dropping from 14,000 to negative 13,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate edged up to 4.3 percent from 4.2 percent."

Newsweek


HOLY CRAP!!! You mean 4.3 people out of 100 don't have a job!!! Oh the humanity!!!

I love when those with TDS point to something that was labeled and presented by the msm as dire and horrible and a "threat to democracy" but when numbers and facts from those msm idiots are analyzed, intelligent people laugh and shake their head at how dishonest the media is and how gullible those with TDS truly are.

Again, I am giggling and shaking my head at the same time.

Either way, PRESIDENT TRUMP is a genius in how he plays the left and TDS sufferers. I don't know which one lefties and left wing kooks hate more. Rush Limbaugh or PRESIDENT TRUMP. I absolutely love typing PRESIDENT TRUMP. It is most definitely a trigger.

My request is when anyone refers to PRESIDENT TRUMP, for your own entertainment, please type in all caps. Just to see the reaction. It is cheap quality entertainment.


I, personally, am not in the least worried about the employment numbers. I am worried, however, about what those numbers will mean when it comes to the fed meeting next week.


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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: bowhunter27295] #8465891
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plenty of jobs out there!

Re: Defending the 2A [Re: bowhunter27295] #8465892
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Yeah but did you see those Bass Blowups? It's insane!

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S (Blaine's "Dear Leader") third and fourth terms will be amazing. Trannies will be cured; California will be a Province of Canada; Jasmine Crockett will be pumping gas in Mountain Lake, Minnesota; and Muskrats will bring $35.00 in the round.

Re: Defending the 2A [Re: yotetrapper30] #8465984
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30


I, personally, am not in the least worried about the employment numbers. I am worried, however, about what those numbers will mean when it comes to the fed meeting next week.


Hopefully, Powell understands those numbers are rigged and will keep interest rates steady to cool down this booming economy so inflation does not get out of control.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Defending the 2A [Re: bowhunter27295] #8466025
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I sense sarcasm dirt. You think the economy is in trouble and a rate cut is needed?


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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: bowhunter27295] #8466030
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The revised the job numbers down 900 thousand for the year ending in March.

They've been cooking the books for some time.

It isn't looking good.

Good time to holding precious metals and mining stocks


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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: bowhunter27295] #8466036
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Do you think that will have any impact on the fed decision, Steven?


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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: bowhunter27295] #8466045
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Some one is using all the illegals in their dire job reports as so many are getting caught, if that keeps up we all will be scratching our heads !!


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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: yotetrapper30] #8466071
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I sense sarcasm dirt. You think the economy is in trouble and a rate cut is needed?


Why else would the FED cut rates? They are not at their target for inflation. I think they should leave rates at normal and let the economy function. Stop juicing it with easy money. Save that for Pandemics and housing market crashes. There are rumors that housing may be in trouble again?

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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: Dirt] #8466151
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I sense sarcasm dirt. You think the economy is in trouble and a rate cut is needed?


Why else would the FED cut rates? They are not at their target for inflation. I think they should leave rates at normal and let the economy function. Stop juicing it with easy money. Save that for Pandemics and housing market crashes. There are rumors that housing may be in trouble again?


Angela to answer your question. Yes it will impact their decision and I won't be shocked to see a 50 basis point cut.

Dirt, they should never juice with easy money. Ever!


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Housing market and auto market is stretched.

It's a good time to be debt free


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Re: Defending the 2A [Re: bowhunter27295] #8466300
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I think rate cut is already planed on and figured in as far as the markets are concerned. Hello inflation my old friend.

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