LOL.... well, thank the lord for small mercies I guess.

Did you see Braveheart, that was my favorite scene.

Amen Keith x10

Hey 330 … how you been?

…. Wolfdog got a good old fashioned ku klux klan post going earlier but it got deleted lol

The topic here is Sharia Law. This is something advocated mostly by radical Islamists. The UK has been infiltrated by radicals and is considered the Sharia Capitol of the west. Radicals are seen demonstrating with signs stating Sharia will rule the earth and Democracy is cancer. There are areas where Sharia rules.

Sharia Law pretty much strips any rights a woman has such as a woman caught in adultery can be stoned. It's pretty much impossible for a woman to divorce an abusive husband as she would need multiple witnesses while a husband needs none to divorce her. A husband can have multiple wives. A woman is totally submissive to her husband. A woman has limitations on where she can go, where she can work, what she can wear, etc.

At a press conference in Washington DC, a Baroness Caroline Cox from the UK warned that America should be vigilant when it comes to Sharia Law considering how it has taken over parts of the UK.

There are other concerns regarding Sharia that are too numerous to mention other than it is not compatible with our laws and freedom as we know them.

Under Sharia it's not just than an adulterous women can be stoned, it is mandatory to stone her. To protect her modesty, while they kill her, they bury her in a pit to her waist, so that when she falls over, they can't see her legs.

Under Sharia, Women who are raped are also considered adulterers and stoned to death.

Under Sharia, the sisters of the men who raped the women, can be raped by the family of the stoned woman who was raped. After those girls or women are raped, they are also modestly stone to death.

Muslims have no place in any country that doesn't hate women.

Keith

This whole stoning to death bit sounds nuts. It also sounds like something from another culture's book at one time.

Many Muslims don't even believe women are people.

I posted the full video of this Imam before.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/sDcJNEQ_VGQ

Keith

You can see the barbarous crap Muslims still believe here:

https://islamqa.info/en

Keith

"Question: 38622
What is the punishment for homosexuality? Is there any differentiation between the one who does it and the one to whom it is done?"

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The Punishment For Homosexuality
Question: 38622
What is the punishment for homosexuality? Is there any differentiation between the one who does it and the one to whom it is done?

Summary of answer
Some Companions said that the punishment for homosexuality is to burn the homosexuals with fire, and some of them viewed that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. Some of them thought that they should be stoned to death.


Answer
Table Of Contents

Homosexuality is a grave sin in Islam
Punishment for homosexuality in Islam
Punishment for homosexuality in Islam: The Same for both partners?
Praise be to Allah, and blessings and peace be upon the Messenger of Allah.

Homosexuality is a grave sin in Islam
The crime of homosexuality is one of the greatest of crimes, the worst of sins and the most abhorrent of deeds, and Allah punished those who did it in a way that He did not punish other nations. It is indicative of violation of the fitrah, total misguidance, weak intellect and lack of religious commitment, and it is a sign of doom and deprivation of the mercy of Allah. We ask Allah to keep us safe and sound.

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) Lut (Lot), when he said to his people: ‘Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinn)? ’Verily, you practice your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins).’ And the answer of his people was only that they said: ‘Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!’ Then We saved him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the torment). And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). Then see what was the end of the Mujrimun (criminals, polytheists and sinners)” [al-A’raf 7:80-84]

“Verily, by your life (O Muhammad), in their wild intoxication, they were wandering blindly. So As-Saihah (torment — awful cry) overtook them at the time of sunrise. And We turned (the towns of Sodom in Palestine) upside down and rained down on them stones of baked clay. Surely, in this are signs for those who see (or understand or learn the lessons from the Signs of Allah). And verily, they (the cities) were right on the highroad (from Makkah to Syria, i.e. the place where the Dead Sea is now).” [al-Hijr 15:72-76]

Al-Tirmidhi (1456), Abu Dawud (4462) and Ibn Majah (2561) narrated that Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lut, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” (Classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih al-Tirmidhi)

Ahmad (2915) narrated from Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “May Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut, may Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut,” three times. This was classed as hasan by Shu’ayb al-Arnaut in Tahqiq al-Musnad.

Punishment for homosexuality in Islam
The Companions unanimously agreed on the execution of homosexuals , but they differed as to how they were to be executed. Some of them were of the view that they should be burned with fire, which was the view of ‘Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) and also of Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him), as we shall see below. And some of them thought that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. This was the view of Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him).

Some of them thought that they should be stoned to death, which was narrated from both ‘Ali and Ibn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them).

After the Companions, the jurists differed concerning the matter. Some of them said that the homosexual should be executed no matter what his situation, whether he is married or not.

Some of them said that he should be punished in the same way as an adulterer, so he should be stoned if he is married and flogged if he is not married.

Some of them said that a severe punishment should be carried out on him, as the judge sees fit.

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah be pleased with him) discussed this issue at length, and he mentioned the evidence and arguments of the jurists, but he supported the first view. This is explained in his book al-Jawab al-Kafi li man sa-ala ‘an al-Dawa’ al-Shafi, which he wrote to deal with this immoral action. We will quote some of what he said:

“Because the evil consequences of homosexuality are among the worst of evil consequences, so its punishment is one of the most severe of punishments in this world and in the Hereafter.

The scholars differed as to whether it is to be punished more severely than zina, or whether the punishment for zina should be more severe, or whether the punishments should be the same. There are three points of view:

Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, Khalid ibn al-Walid, ‘Abd-Allah ibn al-Zubayr, ‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Abbas, Malik, Ishaq ibn Rahawayh, Imam Ahmad according to the more sound of the two reports from him and al-Shafi’i according to one of his opinions, were of the view that the punishment for homosexuality should be more severe than the punishment for zina, and the punishment is execution in all cases, whether the person is married or not.

Al-Shafi`i, according to the well-known view of his madhhab, and Imam Ahmad according to the other report narrated from him, were of the view that the punishment for the homosexual should be the same as the punishment for the adulterer.

Imam Abu Hanifah was of the view that the punishment for the homosexual should be less severe than the punishment for the adulterer, and it is a punishment to be determined by the judge (ta’zir).

Those who favoured the first view, who are the majority of the ummah – and more than one scholar narrated that there was consensus among the Companions on this point – said that there is no sin that brings worse consequences than homosexuality, and they are second only to the evil consequences of kufr, and they may be worse than the consequences of murder, as we shall see below in sha Allah.

They said: Allah did not test anyone with this major sin before the people of Lut, and He punished them with a punishment that He did not send upon any other nation; He combined all kinds of punishment for them, such as destruction, turning their houses upside down, causing them to be swallowed up by the earth, sending stones down upon them from the sky, taking away their sight, punishing them and making their punishment ongoing, and wreaking vengeance upon them such as was not wrought upon any other nation. That was because of the greatness of the evil consequences of this crime which the earth can hardly bear if it is committed upon it, and the angels flee to the farthest reaches of heaven and earth if they witness it, lest the punishment be sent upon those who do it and they be stricken along with them. The earth cries out to its Lord, may He be blessed and exalted, and the mountains almost shift from their places.

Killing the one to whom it is done is better for him than committing this act with him, because if a man commits sodomy with another man, in effect he kills him in such a way that there is no hope of life after that, unlike murder where the victim is wronged and is a martyr. They said: the evidence for that (i.e., that the evil consequences of homosexuality are worse than those of murder) is the fact that in the case of murder, Allah gives the next of kin the choice: if he wishes he may have him executed and if he wishes he may let him off, but He enjoined executing the homosexual as a hadd punishment, as the Companions of the Messenger of Allah were unanimously agreed, and as is clearly indicated by the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and there is no evidence to the contrary; rather this is what his Companions and the Rightly-Guided Caliphs (may Allah be pleased with them all) did.

It is narrated from Khalid ibn al-Walid that he found a man among one of the Arab tribes with whom men would have intercourse as with a woman. He wrote to Abu Bakr al-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him) and Abu Bakr al-Siddiq consulted the Companions (may Allah be pleased with them). ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib had the strongest opinion of all of them, and he said: “No one did that but one of the nations, and you know what Allah did to them. I think that he should be burned with fire.” So Abu Bakr wrote to Khalid and he had him burned.

‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Abbas said: The highest point in the town should be found and the homosexual should be thrown head first from it, then stones should be thrown at him.

Ibn 'Abbas derived this hadd punishment from the punishment that Allah sent upon the homosexuals of the people of Lut.

Ibn 'Abbas is the one who narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) the words: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lut, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” This was narrated by the authors of al-Sunan and was classed as sahih by Ibn Hibban and others. Imam Ahmad quoted this hadith as evidence, and its isnad meets the conditions of al-Bukhari.

They said: and it is narrated that he said: “May Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut, may Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut, may Allah curse the one who does the action of the people of Lut,” and it is not narrated that he cursed the adulterer three times in one hadith. He cursed those who do a variety of major sins, but he did not curse any of them more than once, but he repeated the curse for the homosexual three times. The Companions of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) agreed unanimously that the homosexual is to be executed, and none of them differed concerning that. Rather they differed as to the method of execution. Some people thought that this difference meant that they disagreed about executing him, so they narrated it as a matter concerning which the Companions differed, but it is a matter concerning which there was consensus among them, not a matter of difference.

And they said: Whoever ponders the words of Allah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And come not near to unlawful sex. Verily, it is a Fahishah (i.e. anything that transgresses its limits: a great sin), and an evil way (that leads one to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) unless Allah Forgives him) .” [al-Isra 17:32] and what He says about homosexuality (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) Lut (Lot), when he said to his people: Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinn)?.” [al-A’raf 7:80] will see the difference between them. When Allah mentioned zina, He described it as a “great sin” (fahishah – indefinite) among other great sins, but when He mentioned homosexuality, He called it “the worst sin” (al-fahishah – definite). This suggests that it contains all the essence of evil and sin.” (Al-Jawab al-Kafi (p. 260-263)

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“With regard to homosexuality, some of the scholars said that the punishment for it is the same as the punishment for zina, and it was said that it is less than that. But the correct view on which the Companions were unanimously agreed is that both are to be killed, the active and the passive partners, whether they are married or not.

The authors of al-Sunan narrated from Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lut, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” And Abu Dawud narrated from Ibn 'Abbas concerning the unmarried person who commits a homosexual act that he said: He is to be stoned. And something similar was narrated from ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him). The Companions did not differ concerning the ruling that the homosexual is to be executed, but they differed concerning the methods. It was narrated from Abu Bakr al-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him) that he is to be burned, and from others that he is to be executed.

It was narrated from some of them that a wall is to be knocked down on top of him until he dies beneath it.

And it is said that both should be detained in the foulest of places until they die.

It was narrated from some of them that he should be taken up to the highest place in the town and thrown down from it, to be followed with stones, as Allah did to the people of Lut. This was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas. According to the other report, he is to be stoned. This was the view of the majority of the salaf. They said: because Allah stoned the people of Lut, and stoning is prescribed for the zani by analogy with the stoning of the homosexual. Both are to be stoned, whether they are free or slaves, or one of them is the slave of the other, if they have reached the age of puberty. If one of them has not reached the age of puberty, he is to be punished but not stoned, and none is to be stoned except one who has reached puberty.”(Al-Siyasah al-Shar’iyyah, p. 138)

Punishment for homosexuality in Islam: The Same for both partners?
The one to whom it is done is like the one who does it, because they both took part in the sin. So both are to be punished by execution, as it says in the hadith. But two exceptions may be made to that:

One who is forced into sodomy by means of beating, death threats and the like. He is not subject to any punishment.
It says in Sharh Muntaha al-Iradat (3/348): “There is no hadd punishment if the one who has been sodomized is forced into it, such as if the one who did it overpowered him or threatened him with death or beating and the like.”

If the one to whom it was done is a minor and has not reached the age of puberty. There is no hadd punishment in this case, but he should be disciplined and punished in a way that will deter him from committing this crime, as stated above in the quotation from Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah.
Ibn Qudamah (may Allah have mercy on him) narrated in al-Mughni (9/62) that there is no difference of opinion among the scholars concerning the fact that the hadd punishment should not be carried out on one who is insane or a boy who has not yet reached the age of puberty.

For more, please see these answers: 21058 , 35 , and 27176 .

And Allah knows best."

Keith

In Islam, little girls can be married at 6 years old and used sexually, but intercourse is forbidden until age 9, when girls are considered to hit puberty. We rightly consider having sex with children rape.

"Question: 8981
What is the punishment for a girl found guilty of adultery if she has not even reached her puberty that is she is still a minor ?."

They are asking about a little girl under 9 years old.

"Praise be to Allah, and blessings and peace be upon the Messenger of Allah.

The sin of adultery (zina: unlawful sexual relationship) is a major sin which Allaah has mentioned in conjunction with kufr, shirk and murder, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who invoke not any other ilaah (god) along with Allaah, nor kill such person as Allaah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.

The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace”

[al-Furqaan 25:69]

Al-Qurtubi said:

The followers of all religions are agreed that adultery is forbidden; no religion regards it as permissible. Hence the punishment for it is one of the most severe punishments, because it is a crime against honour and lineage, which is one of the five basic principles that Islam seeks to protect, namely life, religion, lineage, reason and wealth.

Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 24/20, 21

1 – If a woman has been previously married – i.e., a legitimate marriage with her has been consummated – then her punishment is to be stoned to death.

‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) said, when he was sitting on the minbar of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the things that He revealed was the verse of stoning, which we have read and understood. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) carried out the punishment of stoning and we did so after him. I fear that as time goes by, people will say, ‘We do not find any mention of stoning in the Book of Allaah,’ so they will go astray by forsaking an obligation that was revealed by Allaah. In the Book of Allaah, stoning is the punishment deserved by any previously-married person, man or woman, who commits adultery, if proof is established, or pregnancy results, or he or she confesses.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2462; Muslim, 1691)

2 – If the woman is a virgin – i.e., she is not married yet or the marriage contract has been done but her husband has not yet consummated the marriage with her – then the punishment is one hundred lashes and exile from her country for a year, as stated in the hadeeth of ‘Ubaadah ibn al-Saamit, who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Receive (teaching) from me. Allah has ordained a way for those (women). When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. And in the case of a married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death.”

(Narrated by Muslim, 1690).

If the adulterer or adulteress is a minor below the age of puberty, then there is no punishment to be carried out, according to all scholars.

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to puberty and sound mind, the scholars are agreed that both are conditions of punishment being obligatory.

Al-Mughni, 8/134.

The evidence for that is the words of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The Pen has been lifted from three, from the sleeper until he awakes, from the minor until he grows up, and from the insane until he regains his reason.” (Narrated by al-Nasaa’i, 3432; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Nasaa’i, 3210).

But the minor boy or girl should be punished, with something less than the hadd punishment, in a manner that will deter them from doing this action. And their guardian must also be punished if there was any shortcoming on his part, such as allowing his daughter to mix with boys or being careless concerning such matters.

The girl has to conceal what she has done, and her guardian must also conceal it, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Avoid these filthy things that Allaah has forbidden. Whoever has done any of them, let him conceal himself with the concealment of Allaah, and let him repent to Allaah…”

(Narrated by al-Haakim; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 149).

If the signs of puberty are present in the boy or the girl, then he or she becomes accountable (mukallif) thereby. Information on these signs may be found in Questions Nos. 21246 and 13262.

And Allaah knows best."

So if a little girl younger than 9 is married and raped by a another man, she is to be stoned to death.

Keith

10 Best Reasons To Leave Islam For Christianity

1) Bacon: The list could end right here, and it would still be worth it.

2) Your wife can show her face in public without being stoned to death: Have you ever watched someone try to eat soup at a cafe while wearing a burqa? Not cute.

3) No more of those itchy explosive vests: A nice T-shirt is perfectly fine. And it won't kill you or anyone else.

4) Did we mention bacon?: Just making sure.

5) Ditch your AK-47 for a good ol' AR-15: Like all true Christians.

6) You can listen to Switchfoot instead of that creepy loudspeaker music telling you to pray: This is almost as good as the bacon one.

7) Replace your Quran with great Joel Osteen books: Still filled with false religion, but at least they're cheerful.

8) You can face any direction you want while praying: No more of this "bow toward the east" mumbo-jumbo.

9) 100% less murderous hatred: You'd be surprised at how much better life is when you're not being commanded to murder anyone.

10) Now you can actually have your sins forgiven by Jesus Christ the living Word of God and go to actual Heaven: A lot better than the alternative.

Source: https://babylonbee.com/news/10-best-reasons-to-leave-islam-for-christianity

Leaving Islam is risky. This answer was given on October 8th of 2024. Kinder gentler Islam says:

"Summary of answer
The apostate is not to be put to death immediately after he falls into apostasy, especially if has doubts. Rather he should be asked to repent and be offered the opportunity to return to Islam and resolve his doubts, if any. If he persists in his apostasy after that, he is to be put to death."

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/14231/punishment-for-apostasy-in-islam

Failing to kill a non repentant apostate, when you have the opportunity to do so, is also punished by death.

Keith

…. So maybe just maybe the real bigots are Muslims?

So how come none, or a very few stand up against the radicals.... afraid, or secretly supportive?

I used to think that the ordinary muslim was probably like most of us, just want to support your family and live a peaceful life...but the dancing in the streets after 9-11 and other events against the great satan cured me of that...

They're like pit bulls...maybe nice on the outside but can't be trusted.....until they stand up in mass to denounce the radicals and put their life on the line then maybe I'll change my mind, ...maybe, not holding my breath. So if that makes me a bigot, so be it....

… welcome to the bigot club lol

Is there a secret handshake?, or a membership card?, lol

I've been called a racist before, so bigot might be a step up!....

The Pew Research Center recently found that 60% of Muslims, with American citizenship, want Sharia Law to be adopted by America. The real number is likely much higher.

They don't speak out against the radicals, because they share the same beliefs, some just haven't acted on them yet.

They are a great many times more dangerous than pitbulls. Pitbulls are like butterflies in comparison. There are Muslim attacks, based on their religious beliefs, many times every day.

Keith