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Re: I think he had on a vest [Re: bowhunter27295] #8468086
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Shakeyjake

Maybe he slipped one on after this pic? Should know soon enough.


Good grief.

If anyone has seen a friend or family member with a vest or shield on before and after it is relatively easy to see if one has on a vest or not. Your torso looks like you are wearing a balloon. My nephew is a police man and he a skinny kid but looks like a body builder with his vest on.

What does it matter either way?

Did you watch the link.

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Originally Posted by Sheepdog1
He did not have on a protective vest. think about what you are saying, if you have never been a sniper, then you have no idea about why or what actually happened. The shooter was above Kirk, he was at an elevated position and since they are in Utah, a mountainous area, I do not know what the linear or geological declination was from the end of the barrel to the point of impact. If you are shooting from an elevated platform and your target is below you, at a distance of 200 yards, then, the trajectory of the path of the bullet is downward, plus, wind value, plus, elevation, plus declination. he didnt have on a vest. if you have never worn a bullet proof vest then, then how can you put on here that he may have been wearing on. I wore one for over 37 years. He did NOT have on a vest. that what you described is the impact of the bullet and transfer of energy downward as that is the path the bullet trajectory. the outline of his shirt decal is most likely what you are seeing. The bullet struck him in the neck on the left side, severed the corotid artery, probably also severed the top of the aortic arch and most likely exited his body in or around the Latisimus Dorsi muscle. thus the reason for such rapid blood loss and his posturing arms at the time and point of impact from the projectile.

He was dead within a fraction of a second of when the bullet made impact with his neck.

His brain got scrambled at the point the hydrostatic shock and hydrolic effect of the impact blew out the Circle of Willis and his brain stem was detached upon point of impact.

A 30-06 150 grain projectile is hugely significant in both velocity and foot pounds of energy, if that is in fact what this turd used. Betting it was 180 grain or above.

A lot of folks like to speculate but you have never been in these situations, never been trained and never been shot at. Please dont speculate. Because, you flat out have no clue what you are looking at.


I think Charlie did have an armor plate on. Don’t have any creds to list, other than common sense and a little experience as to what a direct hit from a 30-06 looks like on critters.

Re: I think he had on a vest [Re: Providence Farm] #8468104
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Trap set i believe the same and also have no credit. But also dont need to thump my chest and try to be an authority and come off as a know it all without even watching a simple link and then breaking it down as to how its wrong for all the inexperienced no credit simple minded folks

But that how Sheapdogs rolls it seems.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm


Did you watch the link.

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Does your link show video of the impact? If it does, give us a heads up because I don't care to see someone get shot. If not, I'll give it a look. I'll wait for your response.

On a similar note, I find it disrespectful and lacking in common sense when people - especially prominent figures with large followings - post a live video on twitter, etc. of Charlie getting shot in the neck without any notice or firewall.

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Originally Posted by ol' dad



Does your link show video of the impact? If it does, give us a heads up because I don't care to see someone get shot. If not, I'll give it a look. I'll wait for your response.



It shows still shots from the video of the impact. You don't probably want to watch it.

Re: I think he had on a vest [Re: Providence Farm] #8468113
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Yes it shows what is clearly a hard plate react to a hit high on the edge outline of plate clear under his shirt before hole in his neck appears. Shows a place that looked very similar to what it looks like is under Charlies shirt. Sorry about not putting a trigger warrning out. It never occurred to me some may be sensitive or disturbed. Just becuse tit effects me with disgust and anger my desire to break it down and see what happened drives me to watch it. Again sorry I didn't think to put a warrning.

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[quote=Providence Farm] Trap set i believe the same and also have no credit. But also dont need to thump my chest and try to be an authority and come off as a know it all without even watching a simple link and then breaking it down as to how its wrong for all the inexperienced no credit simple minded folks

But that how Sheapdogs rolls it seems.



Have you ever worn a vest?


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I looked online at several armor vests. One or two were very slim and concealable under a t shirt. Most had buckles or covers that made them easily recognizable.

None of them would allow anyone to see their nipples. I find it very hard to believe if a person is concerned about being shot they would only wear one when sitting on stage and not everywhere else. Makes no security/self preservation sense.

Again, what does it matter either way now? Vest or not, he was dead with that shot.

Just hang the shooter up by his toes and as they separate hang him by another toe. Then start with the fingers and save other appendages for the last part of the hanging. That should be a rather effective deterrent.


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Originally Posted by Law Dog
[quote=Providence Farm] Trap set i believe the same and also have no credit. But also dont need to thump my chest and try to be an authority and come off as a know it all without even watching a simple link and then breaking it down as to how its wrong for all the inexperienced no credit simple minded folks

But that how Sheapdogs rolls it seems.



Have you ever worn a vest?




I own one but what dose that have to do with anything. did you watch my link Clearly not.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Yes it shows what is clearly a hard plate react to a hit high on the edge outline of plate clear under his shirt before hole in his neck appears. Shows a place that looked very similar to what it looks like is under Charlies shirt. Sorry about not putting a trigger warrning out. It never occurred to me some may be sensitive or disturbed.


Thanks. I'm neither sensitive or disturbed. I've seen plenty of it. I just don't care to see it, nor would I want a child to see it.

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I watched PF's link and I'm not at all convinced. I don't think he had any sort of protective vest on under his T-shirt. The guy in the video is makes several incredible speculations and assumptions and attempts to pass them off as fact.


Eh...wot?

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Here is a bad screen shot from the video.

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the photo( nipples shown obvious no plate)is of him walking was taken well before the event started... leaving plenty of time to put plate on before going onstage. he was just arriving at the campus going from his car up the stairs to the campas.. also there is a big differance in a body plate and a vest i have seen both in use.....horrible tradedy!

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That pic is from the bullet impact and is the only time we see what appears to be the circular outline of a protective plate. Where was it prior to the shot?


Eh...wot?

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Originally Posted by Lugnut
That pic is from the bullet impact and is the only time we see what appears to be the circular outline of a protective plate. Where was it prior to the shot?


Where is the blood splatter all over the stage behind him from an exit hole we all know any 06 round is going to exit and have splatter on the off side of what's shot. but I see none. Appears bullet didn't exit no splatter on the back wall of the tent.

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IDK, but he wasn't wearing body armor, that I'm certain of.


Eh...wot?

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Seems like a lot aren’t watching the vid. Even our angry resident ballistic sniper etcetera, etcetera “expert” on here is triggered about our stupid uneducated speculations. Maybe he shouldn’t post such angry posts to us minions and stick to conversing with the 6 professionals in a separate chat….lol.
6 minutes of the link is good enough to see. It’s not graphic, there’s a red dot above his shirt when he stops it.


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Must be the new John Wick T shirt unlike the Michelin man stuff everyone else wears, a vest and plate under a T-shirt but nobody can see it. I’m just not buying it I don’t see how its even possible. They make thinner stuff but not that thin look at a real plate are they that big?


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Lugnut
That pic is from the bullet impact and is the only time we see what appears to be the circular outline of a protective plate. Where was it prior to the shot?


Where is the blood splatter all over the stage behind him from an exit hole we all know any 06 round is going to exit and have splatter on the off side of what's shot. but I see none. Appears bullet didn't exit no splatter on the back wall of the tent.

Not exactly. I hunt with a bolt action 30-06. I've had a few times, using ballistic tips, that there was no massive exit wound. Find the lead when skinning. Hunt a power line right of way where 150 to 200 yard shots are common.

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Originally Posted by Sheepdog1
He did not have on a protective vest. think about what you are saying, if you have never been a sniper, then you have no idea about why or what actually happened. The shooter was above Kirk, he was at an elevated position and since they are in Utah, a mountainous area, I do not know what the linear or geological declination was from the end of the barrel to the point of impact. If you are shooting from an elevated platform and your target is below you, at a distance of 200 yards, then, the trajectory of the path of the bullet is downward, plus, wind value, plus, elevation, plus declination. he didnt have on a vest. if you have never worn a bullet proof vest then, then how can you put on here that he may have been wearing on. I wore one for over 37 years. He did NOT have on a vest. that what you described is the impact of the bullet and transfer of energy downward as that is the path the bullet trajectory. the outline of his shirt decal is most likely what you are seeing. The bullet struck him in the neck on the left side, severed the corotid artery, probably also severed the top of the aortic arch and most likely exited his body in or around the Latisimus Dorsi muscle. thus the reason for such rapid blood loss and his posturing arms at the time and point of impact from the projectile.

He was dead within a fraction of a second of when the bullet made impact with his neck.

His brain got scrambled at the point the hydrostatic shock and hydrolic effect of the impact blew out the Circle of Willis and his brain stem was detached upon point of impact.

A 30-06 150 grain projectile is hugely significant in both velocity and foot pounds of energy, if that is in fact what this turd used. Betting it was 180 grain or above.

A lot of folks like to speculate but you have never been in these situations, never been trained and never been shot at. Please dont speculate. Because, you flat out have no clue what you are looking at.



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