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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Mac86] #8468341 Yesterday at 09:46 PM Yesterday at 09:46 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 NE Missouri ol' dad trapper
ol' dad trapper Joined: Dec 2007 NE Missouri	Originally Posted by Mac86 I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf" Part of the problem is you don't hear much about when criminals are stopped by armed citizens because it doesn't fit the Media's is narrative, so it's not reported. I don't know if they still do it but NRA magazine used to publish these exact scenarios every month and could fill a couple pages with them. Ol dad

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8468354 Yesterday at 09:57 PM Yesterday at 09:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2013 East of the Mason-Dixon Line DelawareRob trapper
DelawareRob trapper Joined: Oct 2013 East of the Mason-Dixon Line	They still do OL Dad Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked! Gordon Ramsey, maybe…

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: warrior] #8468367 Yesterday at 10:07 PM Yesterday at 10:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana P Providence Farm trapper
Providence Farm trapper P Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana	Originally Posted by warrior Originally Posted by 52Carl First of all, open carry for self defence in public areas is stupid. The bad guy will pick you off first. Secondly, Most of the "mass shootings" take place in gun free zones, like college campuses for example. Personally, I "praise the fact that I can carry concealed". States which allow concealed carry have lower crime rates because the criminals know it and can't tell if you are an easy mark or not. There are many cases where a mass murderer was stopped by a concealed carry citizen. Without those people, they would have had to dispatch many more ambulances or hearsts. (Sling blade reference for ya.) Okay, Fudd. Not if you see the bad guy first, you forget the head up and on a swivel part. I'm quite sure that I've deterred more than a few by seeing and letting them know that they are seen well in advance. But then again I can't be sure because they were probably hiding their guns. My philosphy that I learned years ago working uniformed security in some pretty rough parts of town is be the hard target, carry yourself as the hard target and trouble tends to pick an easier target. But you go ahead with your mouse impression. And thats why so many cops get killed with their own guns. Even with double retention holsters.

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8468371 Yesterday at 10:08 PM Yesterday at 10:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2013 East of the Mason-Dixon Line DelawareRob trapper
DelawareRob trapper Joined: Oct 2013 East of the Mason-Dixon Line	Lol Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked! Gordon Ramsey, maybe…

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Mac86] #8468394 Yesterday at 10:25 PM Yesterday at 10:25 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 barton county kansas Sasquatch91 trapper
Sasquatch91 trapper Joined: Dec 2007 barton county kansas	Originally Posted by Mac86 I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf" Heres the thing, crime is everywhere, australia and the UK have a very strict gun policy yet people get stabbed and killed every year, noone makes a big deal about it. When you are the greatest xountry in the world people hate that and will say they have to many issues. If guns were a problem you would know. Look up the number of guns vs population. I do carry a gun everyday i can, not because im scared of a mass shooter or getting killed. I carry a gun because it can save a life or multiple if needed. Last edited by Sasquatch91; Yesterday at 10:27 PM. "You skin that one pilgrim."

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8468428 Yesterday at 11:35 PM Yesterday at 11:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia warrior trapper
warrior trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia	Originally Posted by Providence Farm Originally Posted by warrior Okay, Fudd. Not if you see the bad guy first, you forget the head up and on a swivel part. I'm quite sure that I've deterred more than a few by seeing and letting them know that they are seen well in advance. But then again I can't be sure because they were probably hiding their guns. My philosphy that I learned years ago working uniformed security in some pretty rough parts of town is be the hard target, carry yourself as the hard target and trouble tends to pick an easier target. But you go ahead with your mouse impression. And thats why so many cops get killed with their own guns. Even with double retention holsters. No, cops get killed because they have to go hands on. We civilians are under zero obligation to go hands on and walking away is a perfectly good option. I think any reasonable tactician would agree that distance is always your best asset and seeing trouble while at distance is the best way to avoid it. Open or concealed matters not, or totally unarmed for that matter, if you can avoid trouble. I would agree that hanging iron out in the open and walking around with blinders on is a recipe for disaster but it also is even if you hide the iron.

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8468431 Yesterday at 11:37 PM Yesterday at 11:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia warrior trapper
warrior trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Georgia	I'm reminded of the first rule of gun safety mechanisms is the the first safety is between the ears.

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