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Periodontal disease in wildlife #8469622
09/15/25 08:04 AM
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Do many of you check out the mouths of your catches? I’m sure you see a lot of worn down teeth especially in coyotes and raccoons.
I see a lot of trashy teeth in pets. But sometimes wonder why. I know a lot of it is genetic, but the heavy tartar, gum erosion and root exposure, resorptive lesions makes me question if is because pets live so much longer or if it is the refined diets we feed them.
Anyone see any really nasty mouths in their catches?

Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469630
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I saw some bucktoothed coyotes in Pennsylvania. grin

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Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: Giant Sage] #8469632
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
I saw some bucktoothed coyotes in Pennsylvania. grin


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Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469636
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I caught a coon once that had a broken/healed lower jaw. The canine was rotated out about 45 degrees. He also had a club foot. Tough ol boar.

Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469637
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I have seen some pretty bad teeth. I think a LOT of wildlife die from tooth problems.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469638
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My guess is a few things come into play, genetics, diet and the ever-undeniable reality of strongest survive in the wild. A injured/sick animal has a greatly reduced chance of surviving and even less chance of breeding and passing on its genetics.

Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469640
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FWIW I also think a lot of wild animals don't live long enough to get bad teeth


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Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: danny clifton] #8469683
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
FWIW I also think a lot of wild animals don't live long enough to get bad teeth



This^ time in the wild is shorter pets have a healthcare plan compared to wild critters.


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Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469704
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I've caught a lot of raccoons with badly worn teeth. Usually, but not always, their body condition is poor. I think they were probably old.

I had the largest non domestic fox I've ever seen here for a few years. He always smelled terrible. His fur was always pretty poor looking. He lived off of eggs we dumped, that didn't hatch. He would walk up to the egg dump when he heard me coming. I think he slept in the row right next to it. He would get within a few feet of me when I was dumping eggs. As soon as I dumped the eggs he would start eating. He appeared to be missing all of his teeth.

I had as many as 5 full cabinet incubators of eggs going at a time. We often threw out more than a full wheelbarrow of eggs a week.

Keith

Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469709
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I caught some old cats in Arkansas many years ago that had no points on any of its teeth. Mostly just worn down.

They seemed healthy as far as body mass would indicate so obviously they made it work as to what they ate. Granted weather conditions are much more favorable in that state so I am sure that always contributes to survival rates.

Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469773
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I feel like weasels would have crappy teeth…..? Seen a lot of ferrets who get yucky mouths

Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469852
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I think the change in what/how people now feed their dogs has a lot to do with it. Decades ago most dogs that we grew up with got a real bone on occasion. They would chew on it for hours. A milk bone doesn't last very long. And the inclusion of grain in dog food up until recently hasn't helped. Dogs didn't die from cancer when 10 years old back then.

Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469863
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Our dogs work the heck out of those hard plastic chew toys any normal cloth type toy gets shredded quickly. They work on the bigger cow bones also not sure how much those teeth can take but the give the a workout.


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Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469909
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Why would anyone not give their dog a bone??????


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: danny clifton] #8469924
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Why would anyone not give their dog a bone??????



Soft foods don’t keep their teeth clean they are nothing like a chicken bone, just where do you think the horns people sell are going to, pet chews.

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Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469968
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Originally Posted by elsmasho82
I feel like weasels would have crappy teeth…..? Seen a lot of ferrets who get yucky mouths


Domestic ferrets are overly inbred and have lots of health problems because of that.

The A. R. Harding Publishing Company, who created the old Hunter-Trader-Trapper, Fur-Fish-Game Magazine and the first trapping books I ever had, had a book on raising ferrets I bought. Zanesville, Ohio used to be called Ferretsville. Thousands of ferrets were produced there and shipped by railroad all over the US for rat control and to run power lines in conduit. All the ferrets in the US are descended from just 6 imported ferrets.

Every mink I ever caught had excellent teeth.

Keith

Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: KeithC] #8469984
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by elsmasho82
I feel like weasels would have crappy teeth…..? Seen a lot of ferrets who get yucky mouths


Domestic ferrets are overly inbred and have lots of health problems because of that.

The A. R. Harding Publishing Company, who created the old Hunter-Trader-Trapper, Fur-Fish-Game Magazine and the first trapping books I ever had, had a book on raising ferrets I bought. Zanesville, Ohio used to be called Ferretsville. Thousands of ferrets were produced there and shipped by railroad all over the US for rat control and to run power lines in conduit. All the ferrets in the US are descended from just 6 imported ferrets.

Every mink I ever caught had excellent teeth.

Keith


That's fascinating .


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Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8469988
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A. R. Harding Publishing Company has a lot of excellent books. I bought a bunch of them. The trapping books by V. E. Lynch were my favorites. The books on raising ferrets and mink were great too.

You can read some of them online here:

https://openlibrary.org/publishers/A._R._Harding_Publishing_Company

Keith

Re: Periodontal disease in wildlife [Re: elsmasho82] #8470013
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I think wildlife dies, cattle are an example, people here used to buy broken mouth cows out of sand country and bring them here for pennies on the dollar put them on grain and fermented feed they would live for quite a few more years.

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Smash,
I think the change in what/how people now feed their dogs has a lot to do with it. Decades ago most dogs that we grew up with got a real bone on occasion. They would chew on it for hours. A milk bone doesn't last very long. And the inclusion of grain in dog food up until recently hasn't helped. Dogs didn't die from cancer when 10 years old back then.


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Why would anyone not give their dog a bone??????


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