Interesting point, Warrior.
What was his actual conviction?

He crossed the line into conspiracy to commit murder (action, not speech).

"wouldn't i be great if someone killed those people" = free speech

"Tonight I want you to go murder these people at this house" = conspiracy to commit murder.

Same way as:

"Wouldn't it be great if we overthrew the government" = free speech

"Tomorrow at 8:15 we're gonna storm the capitol building and over throw the government" = conspiracy and treason

I always go with the litmus test

if any other party was trying to impose this restriction , would it be the same , because it will flip and flop back and forth and it is very important to remember anything imposed today will be imposed in reverse tomorrow.

so limiting the power of any one party is always in the best interest of the American people for tomorrow the balance of the isle might change.

there is an election every 2 years and the average age of Congress is almost 58 and the average age of the senate is almost 65 anything can change any time just out of natural circumstance.

Tomorrow at 9:34 I’m gonna ride up and slap some sense into loosegoose’ hippie butt

Another one from history.

"Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" King Henry VII

Thomas Beckett Archbishop of Canterbury was murdered by four knights

Now apply that to J6 and what the democrats conspired to do in response.

Careful. You're gonna offend some people on here and be accused of being mentally deficient.

Murder and Conspiracy to commit murder.

Thanks, Warrior.
Comes down to you can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences.

But George Floyd did nothing wrong except get high. He wasn't a career criminal and dead beat. He took care of all his children and was an upstanding father and citizen. Who wouldn't protest for such a horrible miscarriage of the legal system?

Sarcasm.

Now apply that to J6 and what the democrats conspired to do in response.[/quote]

Actually.....maybe the overthrowing the govt example wasn't a good one. While it's obviously against the law to conspire to overthrow the government, the right to overthrow a tyrannical government is a natural right inherent to mankind. But, of course, no government is going legalize its own destruction, so I guess that's a case of "the winners write the history books". While it will never be legalized, it's definitely not immoral to discuss and plan the overthrow of the government.

I'll bite..
if government shall make no laws against free speech. Okay.
My current congressman a Republican. Wants to withhold federal funding. From city's where some Democrats made what he says where inappropriate remarks about his freind Charlie Kirk. Cities or districts that make inappropriate remarks about current administration should not get federal funding or support.. ??? Nice!
How does that work in free speech thing?
Biggest problems with people crying fee speach is. They want free speach with no consequences. Which is not dictated by government as much as location. Stand in street obstruct traffic. Expect maybe get run over.
Tell your boss to cram it then claim free speech when your fired. See how that goes. Im guessing like myself there are few here got back hand or bar of soap in the mouth. When you tried free speech thing with mom.
Like here on T man. PAUL'S House so his rules with your free speech rights.
In truly public place or your yard blow your horn.
Unless it's after 10:00pm and you wake me up. Then there is a problem.

Mac

It's the price of freedom to have to hear things that you disagree with and things that anger you. That doesn't mean talking stupid shouldn't get you fired, that's not a free speech issue... that's a question of how much freedom does an employer have in who he wants working for him.

A private employer isn't the government, and should be able to do whatever they want regarding punishing you for your speech. Same with your parents, or Paul here on Tman.

Regarding free speech without consequences......there should be no consequences from the government for speech. Of course we want free speech without consequences from the government. Apply it to a different right, like the 2nd......we want to own guns without consequences from the government. If there are consequences from the government for speech, then you don't have free speech.

The whole problem with punishing speech is that you won't always be the one to decide which speech is punishable. To use Macrhwdivers example......if you're okay with the current administration withholding funding for inappropriate remarks, beware.....the next administration might so the same thing, for remarks that you find perfectly acceptable.

The inherent flaw in liberty is the right to do. Sure you can do it but is it best to do it? Every action has consequences. Individuals confuse right to do with right to do without consequences. I'm all for consequences.

Keith

Free speech should indeed be free.

Dumb speech has a price. Should government exact that price? No.

But private employers can and will. If they write my paycheck, I do what the boss says.

Yep.

Keith

Yup

Exactly?

Government shouldn't limit speech it doesn't agree with and people need to realize there are consequences to what they say.