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Try this....."I'm glad that Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman, the democrats from Minnesota, were shot in June. They were terrible people that supported abortion and gun control". (I don't actually think that, This is just for conversation. Lets pretend I actually said this.)
 Should the government investigate and censor me?
Yes and noIf your employer got a hold of that and you were fired would they be within their rights knowing as an employee you could endanger the other employees? 
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I think you missed the point of my question.  
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I'll try to answer directly as possible.  Here's a question for you folks, how do you differentiate mental illness from freedom of speech?  In my opinion, if a person praises the death of someone who is politically assassinated in the USA, they have something mentally wrong with them.  Conversely, expressing your opinion that you disagree with someone who has been politically assassinated falls under freedom of speech.  Does the former necessitate investigation/censorship by the government? 
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No. Mentally ill speech, including mentally ill speech praising the death of someone who is politically assassinated in the USA, is protected under the first amendment.Censorship was probably not the incorrect word to use, as the Constitution clearly states that mentally ill speech is protected.  However,  my question isn't necessarily in reference to protecting the speech of the mentally ill, but declaring what someone says as a symptom of being mentally ill.  Hence, openly celebrating someone's assassination.   Is that a moral, social, or mental issue?  Maybe all of the above?   The point I'm making, is it's not normal to celebrate a person's political assassination, at least not in the USA.  Should that person be red flagged? It seems a lot of these shooters have a history of making immoral/mentally; deranged comments.  If we're going to catch mentally ill people before they have a chance to kill people, shouldn't we be paying attention to what they say? Ol dad  |  |  |  
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Jerry an employer can fire about anyone it wants to some degree. 
 Government employees can also be fired for speech.
 
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Jerry an employer can fire about anyone it wants to some degree. 
 Government employees can also be fired for speech.
I’m aware of that that’s the point I was making but others just keep saying free speech has no boundaries over and over. LOL  That was not directed at you just the way it laid out.
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Let's be honest here,  after leaving The Man Show he just became another sellout.  He did and said whatever his handlers told him to do so he could get that big paycheck.  He’s still The Man Show he just wears a suit now like a polished turd but still a turd! Yes a total sellout if he went back in time he would cancel himself with his woke garbage but the rules don’t apply to liberals just us common folks. 
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What Jimmy said was a statement no part of it was comedy, nothing even hinted towards it being anything but one of his rants on the right. That’s a huge hump to get over the last thing CBS needs is another massive lawsuit over a dying show. 
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Try this....."I'm glad that Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman, the democrats from Minnesota, were shot in June. They were terrible people that supported abortion and gun control". (I don't actually think that, This is just for conversation. Lets pretend I actually said this.)
 Should the government investigate and censor me?
If your employer got a hold of that and you were fired would they be within their rights knowing as an employee you could endanger the other employees? I already said that there's no such thing as free speech in the private sphere. Your employer can fire you for whatever they want within the confines of your employment contract (if one exists), including speech they don't like. Free speech only has no boundaries when it comes to being punished by the government (excluding things like libel, and even that is debated) |  |  |  
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Try this....."I'm glad that Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman, the democrats from Minnesota, were shot in June. They were terrible people that supported abortion and gun control". (I don't actually think that, This is just for conversation. Lets pretend I actually said this.)
 Should the government investigate and censor me?
No. Your Momma should just slap the taste out of your mouth. She didn't raise you to be that way. That's what I feel like doing to everyone who is shooting off at the mouth right now. Them getting fired all over the place is calming down a bit.
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Lying about someone is generally protected under the first amendment. Defamation has to be proved in court. The accuser has to prove that the statement in question was presented as fact and not opinion, that it was done with the express purpose of harming someone's reputation, and, importantly, that the statement in question is actually false, and that the accused knew it was false.
 ABC news, for example, couldn't run the headline "Bernie Sanders's teeth are brown because he eats poop" as a news story because they know it's false,it's presented as fact, and done to harm his reputation. Jimmy Kimmel, though, could do a story about Bernie Sanders eating poop, because everyone knows his show is opinion-based.
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I think you missed the point of my question.  
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I'll try to answer directly as possible.  Here's a question for you folks, how do you differentiate mental illness from freedom of speech?  In my opinion, if a person praises the death of someone who is politically assassinated in the USA, they have something mentally wrong with them.  Conversely, expressing your opinion that you disagree with someone who has been politically assassinated falls under freedom of speech.  Does the former necessitate investigation/censorship by the government? 
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No. Mentally ill speech, including mentally ill speech praising the death of someone who is politically assassinated in the USA, is protected under the first amendmentMentally ill speech that insinuates violence toward someone is not protected. |  |  |  
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Greg Gutfeld said tonight that Kimmel doesn’t have the guts to go out in the open and face the public like Charlie did and debate them. 
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Anyone give any thought that maybe ABC is trying to just get out in front of the news for when it's announced that Kimmel was an Epstein frequent flyer?  Massie said one of them is a prominent tv figure.??? Hmm
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Mentally ill speech that insinuates violence toward someone is not protected.
 
Is this a protected form of speech? Or, because it insinuates violence towards someone ( a sitting president at the time), is it not protected?  Personally, I say it's perfectly fine.  ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2025/09/full-52051-269488-biden.jpeg) |  |  |  
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Society has gone bonkers. lol
 I'm responding deep into the second page about a show and person I have never watched or could care less about and the whole thing is everywhere in the news.
 
 Aren't dead cops in PA more newsworthy? Not in today's world I guess.
 
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Police officers being injured or killed only matter to Trump, when he knows how the person injuring them voted.  Thats basically what Kimmel was questioning with the Kirk shooter.  How conservatives were scrambling to disclaim him. When no one knew motive yet.  So the FCC head wants to threaten ABC with their  license. Claim some morality clause about Kimmels remarks. Not good if you think thats ok.  Once Trump gets all these nasty bad comedians and media people cleaned up. Silenced.  He probably have Kenndy round up all us old crippled people like me.. Ones sucking from tit of society on Social Sercuity and Medicare with ragging case of TDS. Send us to the showers down Aligator Alcatraz never to be seen  again.  Just wait wont be long all restaurants will be Taco Bell. Only thing allowed on TV be reruns of Mayberry RFD. Someone says something bad be fined or locked up under morality clause, or worse made into Solent Green.. Were Doomed MacWow! Did you come up with this all on your own, or did you have CNN on while you were typing? |  |  |  
 
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