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Ukraine 180 #8475150
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This is a big 180 by Trump. Assuming he sticks with it, good for him. Way too late but we should always stand against Putin and his kind. On everything.

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Russia hits back at Trump after his sudden strong support for Ukraine - The Washington Post https://share.google/oiILKegHuZBMnLvhQ

PS--I don't want to send any troops and I don't want to spend a disproportionate amount of money. Just so we're clear.

Re: Ukraine 180 [Re: Blaine County] #8475159
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Wow!

If he took that stance before the election I would have voted him again. It was his Ukraine stance that prompted me to not vote for him this time.

Re: Ukraine 180 [Re: Blaine County] #8475166
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Chess moves .........pay attention


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Re: Ukraine 180 [Re: Blaine County] #8475171
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He's laying it all out...
AntiGov is right ^^^


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Re: Ukraine 180 [Re: Blaine County] #8475172
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I thought trying to get results through Diplomacy first (rather than intimidation/brute force) was a GOOD thing!

Once it became clear that playing "nice" wasn't going to work, now the pressure can be applied.

C'Mon, BC...you never start right off with bile and vitriol in a courtroom, do you? (well, maybe YOU do)...the best lawyers try to get a witness to willingly present your client's point of view, rather than through browbeating.

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Re: Ukraine 180 [Re: Blaine County] #8475177
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Art of let's make a deal.....

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Trump’s original stance when he was campaigning and early months of presidency were to negotiate the end of the war. Repeated attempts failed - but not because of his efforts. His comments continue to reveal he has become increasingly frustrated with Putin, who continually gave hope and then did the opposite. Most countries in europe will not fully abandon russia - they keep funding the war because they will not stop buying russian oil. Sanctions are not effective because other countries are not willing to sacrifice.

This is no different than a Dr or a Mechanic attempting the most favorable method of fixing a problem, and when that doesnt work - go to step two.

Re: Ukraine 180 [Re: Blaine County] #8475267
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BlaineCounty doesn't have President Trump figured out yet. When this President puts out anything on social media he and his staff are already many steps ahead.

For an attorney you sure seem to have a hard time understanding the actions of a great leader.


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Re: Ukraine 180 [Re: Blaine County] #8475272
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There are the practical applications of sanctions. Remember the Warsaw pact? Almost all those countries are connected to natural gas to Russia. If countries stop buying Russian oil, expect to pay more at the pump. Just Sayin!

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Maybe telling that Trump never mentions the Z-Man in his statement?

Statement reads to me like Ukraine can do it, with NATO's support.
And we support NATO, with weapons "to do with what they want".

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Im wondering if Ukraine has enough man power left anymore to drive Russia out? But I do believe Trumps talk is more about rhetoric to force Putin to negotiate

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Y'all have got to stop explaining away every flip flop and stupid move by Trump with the 4D chess/Art of the Deal (which Trump didn't even write) responses.

It's lazy. And naive.

But I agree, Yes Sir, it may just be talk to get the others talking. It's still a 180.

I sincerely hope Trump's new plan works.

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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Y'all have got to stop explaining away every flip flop and stupid move by Trump with the 4D chess/Art of the Deal (which Trump didn't even write) responses.

It's lazy. And naive.

But I agree, Yes Sir, it may just be talk to get the others talking. It's still a 180.

I sincerely hope Trump's new plan works.

But, but...if his "new plan" doesn't work then you'll have another card to play in future discussions....


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Stop getting involved in foreign wars..................


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Why doesn't Ukraine join NATO? Putin has made it clear that he doesn't want them to do that.


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4D chess is the perfect analogy, 4D Chess makes no sense, like much of Trumps social media ramblings.

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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Y'all have got to stop explaining away every flip flop and stupid move by Trump with the 4D chess/Art of the Deal (which Trump didn't even write) responses.

It's lazy. And naive.


once again, you only address PART of the defense of Trump.

He was trying to negotiate an end to a war without further bloodshed. why can't you admit that he tried Diplomacy first?

(I know the reason...it doesn't fit your prejudicial narrative)

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So you guys who are happy with Trump’s stance now, dont think he should have tried diplomacy and negotiations first?

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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
So you guys who are happy with Trump’s stance now, dont think he should have tried diplomacy and negotiations first?


they will rationalize and deny, deny and rationalize; in order to fit their preconceived notions (prejudice).

it's their MO...prove me wrong.



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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Why doesn't Ukraine join NATO? Putin has made it clear that he doesn't want them to do that.


if Ukraine were accepted into NATO during this time of active warfare, we (and the other NATO countries) would be legally bound to join the war against Russia.

can you say "World War III"?

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