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Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: Law Dog] #8475262
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
I have to laugh when folks that don’t understand what you posted but put up an example that doesn’t even apply to be relevant . LOL I’ll put it as simple as I can for him. 2 traps at the same set (within the same catch area) are less likely to catch 2 critters vs 2 traps a greater distance apart thar is MY opinion. LOL

So, 4 traps at two sets should be even better. Yeah, I've been at this for forty years or so, I've heard all the theories. And use two sets with one trap each out of habit, because that's what all the experts say to do...


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: foxkidd44] #8475266
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Not every skunk is going to be a winner here we have nice ones and some butt ugly ones they would fit the bait need then. Most years they are covered with ticks and are rubbed bad in the summer but the ticks went away for some reason even though it’s been warm. We run into skin conditions in them yellow stripes in the wet years perfect candidates for bait usage.


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Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: PAskinner] #8475270
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Yes sir. I never claimed to be a good coyote trapper, lol. But I'm pretty good at missing them.
Might make more sense to bury the coyote to catch a skunk!

Wasn't calling anyone or anyone's system out in particular just stating my thoughts on the subject. There's times and places for 2 traps.

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Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: PAskinner] #8475275
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Originally Posted by Law Dog
I have to laugh when folks that don’t understand what you posted but put up an example that doesn’t even apply to be relevant . LOL I’ll put it as simple as I can for him. 2 traps at the same set (within the same catch area) are less likely to catch 2 critters vs 2 traps a greater distance apart thar is MY opinion. LOL

So, 4 traps at two sets should be even better. Yeah, I've been at this for forty years or so, I've heard all the theories. And use two sets with one trap each out of habit, because that's what all the experts say to do...




The location should talk to you I’d set 2 traps at most locations to play the wind on opposite sides of a gate or trail but if the location called for more traps I’d set them all on their own not in the same set location. If I came to a cow carcass I’d set a bunch of traps in the approach routes away from the carcass of course. On a good cattle trail intersection I’d set several trap to cover the high traffic area.


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Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: foxkidd44] #8475278
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Different areas have different requirements the guy trapping the open areas out west have different set options vs a woods trapper with more defined roads and 2 tracks. I learned in Arizona that trapping the edge of a wash produced better than setting the middle of the wash that was more used by travelers but they hunted the edges for food.


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Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: foxkidd44] #8475337
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1. I'd rather run twice as many sets.

Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: foxkidd44] #8475346
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I very very very rarely use two traps at one set.

Even blind trail sets, one trap.

Two traps at a set eats up a lot of iron fast.

Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: PAskinner] #8475348
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
It's kinda weird when you think about it. Nobody questions putting three traps in a hot muskrat run, but for a canine that's running miles of area, just one trap per set. I think I shall start using two at bobcat and fisher sets sometimes. Good reason to buy more traps!


For red fox, I always make two sets with one trap each set. At the proven hot locations I’ve identified over the years, I’ll set three and sometimes four sets in a relatively small area. I’ve caught enough triples to make it worth doing it at those locations. I’ve never caught a quadruple, but that hasn’t stopped me from trying at the best of the best locations.


Eh...wot?

Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8475349
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by Law Dog
I set multiple traps at heavy traffic areas like gates, cattle trail intersections but not on the same set locations. I do put a trap at each end of my barrel cubbies but never caught a second cat that way, the same cat in both traps yes. I make sure the one set won’t interfere with the second one not that I’d set traps that close together anyway it cause more problems then you would want to have for not gaining anything from doing it.

I don’t see any advantage to it just more work in many ways.

Canines don't just charge straight up to sets and work them at 45s like in the books. They like to circle and almost avoid the "front" of most sets especially dirt holes. Take advantage of the habits of the animals or take a chance on luck


I’d bet the vast majority of canines “work” the set, or try to “work” the set from whatever direction happens to be down wind at that time.

Sets all tracked up behind the backing? Thats not a smart educated coyote. Thats where the wind was.

A smart educated coyote wouldn’t have “worked” it at all. They skirt it at 20 foot and go poof! Haha

Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: Lugnut] #8475366
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
[quote=PAskinner]It's kinda weird when you think about it. Nobody questions putting three traps in a hot muskrat run, but for a canine that's running miles of area, just one trap per set. I think I shall start using two at bobcat and fisher sets sometimes. Good reason to buy more traps!

For red fox, I always make two sets with one trap each set. At the proven hot locations I’ve identified over the years, I’ll set three and sometimes four sets in a relatively small area. I’ve caught enough triples to make it worth doing it at those locations. I’ve never caught a quadruple, but that hasn’t stopped me from trying at the best of the best locations.

Now, fox, I know are bit about...
Doubles aren't uncommon if you have a good fox population, or just a litter that's still running together. They are a lot less aggressive when you don't have many, seems like, but still, two sets gives you a better chance.
The logic behind using more traps for fisher or bobcat is, we might only get one chance at him in the time we have traps out.
And that's the time of year we see all the coyotes we miss, but to be fair, mostly those sets aren't designed for coyotes.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: Law Dog] #8475367
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
I have to laugh when folks that don’t understand what you posted but put up an example that doesn’t even apply to be relevant . LOL I’ll put it as simple as I can for him. 2 traps at the same set (within the same catch area) are less likely to catch 2 critters vs 2 traps a greater distance apart thar is MY opinion. LOL

The point is not about catching two critters. You can do it but it's not the point of 2 traps.

Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: foxkidd44] #8475368
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Ill agree with Boone on how coyotes work a set. Ive watched 100s of coyotes work test sets on video. The wind is the key factor. Ive never seen coyotes circle other than just to get downwind. I have seen a few instances where I think coyotes may have been avoiding the side of the set where you left the most human scent while making the set but I haven't seen it enough for it too be more than just a speculation on my part.

Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: Boone Liane] #8475371
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane


I’d bet the vast majority of canines “work” the set, or try to “work” the set from whatever direction happens to be down wind at that time.

Sets all tracked up behind the backing? Thats not a smart educated coyote. Thats where the wind was.

A smart educated coyote wouldn’t have “worked” it at all. They skirt it at 20 foot and go poof! Haha

Could be part of it but wind rarely goes back against the prevailing wind unless you're dealing with convection currents/thermals. Those of us in hill country/mountains or along the rivers really need to pay attention to convection/thermal currents.

Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: foxkidd44] #8475403
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For standard production line trapping, you are far better off putting in multiple separate sets. The appeal of an animal in a trap to attract other animals cannot be overstated. Target animals will circle a trapped animal and if you have your sets spaced apart correctly, will find that set that much easier.

Two traps at a set will cause swiveling problems and just aren't necessary in my opinion.

One of the biggest things that increased my catch when I started trapping was setting multiple sets at a location. This applies to land or water trapping.

Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8475416
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by Law Dog
I have to laugh when folks that don’t understand what you posted but put up an example that doesn’t even apply to be relevant . LOL I’ll put it as simple as I can for him. 2 traps at the same set (within the same catch area) are less likely to catch 2 critters vs 2 traps a greater distance apart thar is MY opinion. LOL

The point is not about catching two critters. You can do it but it's not the point of 2 traps.



Who asked you it was my opinion you keep jumping in on posts correcting what people say it’s not the first time you seem like a smart guy but stay in your own lane scroll on.


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Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: foxkidd44] #8475432
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I see it this way theres people that trap and break it down to simple and efficient, then people that read a lot of books and somewhat complicate the whole thing to justify their efforts, then people that if they trapped or trapped more would do it this or that way. A book on basic trapping would be pretty boring I’d say so fillers are added.

Not bashing books like some would post that I was doing that, books are a tool box pick the tools you can use that worked for you but make your own tool box when you’re done gathering information (tools)


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Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: Law Dog] #8475449
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Fur trapping or recreational trapping (pretty much the same these days ) one and done to a set when you are tasked to catch a stock killer you do anything to stop the bloodshed and that means anything to increase your odds and that may require a second trap. I know if the first one is in the right place another is not necessary however even a remote chance of increasing the likelihood of taking that predator out is worth the extra effort and little thought is given to trap inventory numbers

Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: ks wolfer] #8475452
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Originally Posted by ks wolfer
Fur trapping or recreational trapping (pretty much the same these days ) one and done to a set when you are tasked to catch a stock killer you do anything to stop the bloodshed and that means anything to increase your odds and that may require a second trap. I know if the first one is in the right place another is not necessary however even a remote chance of increasing the likelihood of taking that predator out is worth the extra effort and little thought is given to trap inventory numbers




100% every situation has its own challenges.


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Re: 1 trap or 2 at a set? [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8475455
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by Boone Liane


I’d bet the vast majority of canines “work” the set, or try to “work” the set from whatever direction happens to be down wind at that time.

Sets all tracked up behind the backing? Thats not a smart educated coyote. Thats where the wind was.

A smart educated coyote wouldn’t have “worked” it at all. They skirt it at 20 foot and go poof! Haha

Could be part of it but wind rarely goes back against the prevailing wind unless you're dealing with convection currents/thermals. Those of us in hill country/mountains or along the rivers really need to pay attention to convection/thermal currents.


Most mornings here thermals will absolutely be the predominant air current until the prevailing wind speeds get up to 6-8 mph.

I’ve seen thermals in true mountainous country that approach 15 mph.

So they absolutely can over power prevailing wind.

But that’s moot.

Fact is, scent from a set is moving in a certain direction at a certain time. Whether that’s from the prevailing wind or thermal air currents matters not. Some type of “wind” is moving the scent in a particular direction, and most of the time, that’s where canines will initially approach and “work” a set.

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