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Re: For Savell [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #8478615
09/30/25 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
I would like to hear someone up North's personal opinion on why it was okay to have slaves up north, then haul off and kill southern people over doing the same thing...Take your time.


I don't think anyone should ever own anybody as property.

I don't think the fed's should trample all over state's rights.

There's one Northerner's opinion.

We're not all "Yankees".


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Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478616
09/30/25 12:05 PM
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My opinion is if the south had won, the country would not be in the shape it is today. On the other hand, if the lazy plantation owners had harvested their own crops in the first place, it also wouldn't be in the shape it is today. So there. It's both sides fault.


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Re: For Savell [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #8478617
09/30/25 12:07 PM
09/30/25 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
I would like to hear someone up North's pesonal opinion on why it was okay to have slaves up north, then haul off and kill southern people over doing the same thing...Take your time.


The North had many people who wanted a strong Federal government and wanted to do away with state rights. Slavery was at best, a very minor issue, in most peoples minds.

Keith

Re: For Savell [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #8478618
09/30/25 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
I would like to hear someone up North's personal opinion on why it was okay to have slaves up north, then haul off and kill southern people over doing the same thing...Take your time.

Why would u ask a question and expect an answer when you wouldn't reciprocate the same?

Re: For Savell [Re: KeithC] #8478619
09/30/25 12:09 PM
09/30/25 12:09 PM
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Kentucky
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
I would like to hear someone up North's pesonal opinion on why it was okay to have slaves up north, then haul off and kill southern people over doing the same thing...Take your time.


The North had many people who wanted a strong Federal government and wanted to do away with state rights. Slavery was at best, a very minor issue, in most peoples minds.

Keith

Very, very true....I respect that honest assessment.


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Re: For Savell [Re: Yes sir] #8478622
09/30/25 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
I would like to hear someone up North's personal opinion on why it was okay to have slaves up north, then haul off and kill southern people over doing the same thing...Take your time.

Why would u ask a question and expect an answer when you wouldn't reciprocate the same?

Oh, I didn't expect a answer at all...I gave exactly what I received.


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Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478626
09/30/25 12:26 PM
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The difference is I would gave you an answer if you would have answered my question. But for some reason you have reservations about answering mine despite the simplicity of it

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Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478627
09/30/25 12:28 PM
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Ain't y'all got nothing better to do than revive a 175 year old war? grin


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Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478634
09/30/25 12:38 PM
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Your looking for the high ground, you won't get that with me....It would have been the same in the 1860's when my ancestors stacked them up like cord wood, despite never owning any slaves.

I would do the same today, and have absolutely no interest in having slaves.....I would entertain honest discussions about the war, but not manufactured narratives.


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Re: For Savell [Re: yotetrapper30] #8478635
09/30/25 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Ain't y'all got nothing better to do than revive a 175 year old war? grin

Not really, traps are treated and it's 90 degrees here today, Lol.


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Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478639
09/30/25 12:51 PM
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They'd be part of Mexico if we didn't go down there and slap the Mexicans around after they captured Texas' army.

Guess they never could fight very good whistle


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478640
09/30/25 12:52 PM
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Isn't trying to position yourself on the high ground the whole strategy of a debate??? I assume You wouldn't answer the question because you feel like if you did you couldn't justifiably defend your position anymore.

Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478655
09/30/25 01:19 PM
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Your confusing true high ground with false narratives....The truth can be vigorously defended, and I've done that here before.

Did you have family in this war?


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Re: For Savell [Re: yotetrapper30] #8478658
09/30/25 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Ain't y'all got nothing better to do than revive a 175 year old war? grin

No picking corn so I have free time between loads

Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478660
09/30/25 01:27 PM
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Only 20% to 25% of CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS owned slaves.

So, what were the other 75% to 80% fighting for?


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Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478661
09/30/25 01:31 PM
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Somehow, I think I he folks that feel like slavery wasn't a big deal, or should have been handled differently, or can't say outright that slavery was wrong, would feel differently if I get were the slaves and their children were being auctioned off.

Re: For Savell [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8478662
09/30/25 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Only 20% to 25% of CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS owned slaves.

So, what were the other 75% to 80% fighting for?


In 1850, 42.3% of free blacks owned slaves.

Keith

Re: For Savell [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #8478663
09/30/25 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Your confusing true high ground with false narratives....The truth can be vigorously defended, and I've done that here before.

Did you have family in this war?

Exactly. So you should be able to answer truthfully and then if I'm incorrect with where I go with it u should be able to debate my position.

Asking if u believe slavery is wrong is in no way a false narrative and if it was by your own words it could be shoot down with truth.

I dont know if I had any relatives in the civil war

Re: For Savell [Re: warrior] #8478668
09/30/25 01:42 PM
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I know exactly where your coming from, everyone else does too....I said I had absolutely no interest in owning slaves, and that my family never owned slaves.

That should have told you what you needed to know....Now on the other hand you also need to know what really happened so you can form intelligent questions.


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Re: For Savell [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8478669
09/30/25 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Only 20% to 25% of CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS owned slaves.

So, what were the other 75% to 80% fighting for?

One possibility was that a large population of them were economically dependent of the slave system even if they themselves didn't own them.

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