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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8490438
10/22/25 05:22 PM
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Well when you start, and then lose a war, you should expect stuff to happen....

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Osagan] #8490460
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Originally Posted by Osagan

Possibly. Though I think tactical precision warheads would be used as opposed to strategic warheads Hiroshima type warheads.
Don't think for a minute there aren't plans right now with both Soviet and NATO forces for that very scenario to happen.
Soviets, Brits, French all have those plans.
It's still a nuclear world. We haven't progressed much since the 50s.


The Hiroshima-Bomb was about 15 kT. That is what we consider a tactical warhead now.
The Yars intercontinental ballistic missile, which Russia testfired today as part of its nuclear maneuvers, can carry 10 reentry vehicles that can be programmed for individual targets, with 250 kT warheads each, or a total of 2.5 megatons.

The Soviet Union no longer exists. They are fighting each other now.
Stalin was Georgian.
Khrushchev was Ukrainian.
We cannot blame Russia for everything the former Soviet leaders did.

And the era of large, dynamic tank battles is also over.
We now live in a new world of drone dominance.
Tanks have gone from hunter to prey.
Nuclear strategies and tactics have to be adapted to this.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Manfred] #8490466
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Originally Posted by Manfred
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Which countries were those?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

Most of your wars starting from 1775 were about some kind of resources.


Having resources is good.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8490504
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Back to the original post I think the CIA has a present’s in almost every country in the world, if nothing else it’s to see if other countries are operating there.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8490531
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Manfred, you should be grateful we helped rebuild your country. Hitler and his government HAD to be destroyed. IMO our mistake was letting you Europeans drag us into that mess called WWI. Adolf likely would never have gotten the support he needed if we had just let you folks keep killing each other.

I don't have clue one what Trump has sent anyplace in South America

I would get behind a real war on drugs. Seems to me like its either legalization or put a stop to it. If satellites can find an individual they can find labs and fields.

I dont believe anyone in our government wants to steal Venezuelan oil. They have passed up too many chances at middle eastern countries.

Germany needs to run everything on coal again. You have plenty of it.


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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: danny clifton] #8490535
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Manfred, you should be grateful we helped rebuild your country. Hitler and his government HAD to be destroyed. IMO our mistake was letting you Europeans drag us into that mess called WWI. Adolf likely would never have gotten the support he needed if we had just let you folks keep killing each other.

I don't have clue one what Trump has sent anyplace in South America

I would get behind a real war on drugs. Seems to me like its either legalization or put a stop to it. If satellites can find an individual they can find labs and fields.

I dont believe anyone in our government wants to steal Venezuelan oil. They have passed up too many chances at middle eastern countries.

Germany needs to run everything on coal again. You have plenty of it.


He's fixing to hit you with an AI generated answer that will be partially correct.


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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8490604
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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: danny clifton] #8490656
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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt

He's fixing to hit you with an AI generated answer that will be partially correct.


I don't use AI except for translation. While I'm used to reading English, I lack practice writing it.



Originally Posted by danny clifton
Manfred, you should be grateful we helped rebuild your country.


I am. I'm just noting that the US didn't do this solely for charitable reasons.

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Hitler and his government HAD to be destroyed.


There is no doubt about that.

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IMO our mistake was letting you Europeans drag us into that mess called WWI. Adolf likely would never have gotten the support he needed if we had just let you folks keep killing each other.


Hitler was heavily supported by US capital. And your powerful people played the Second World War very well. In the end, the British Empire collapsed, the US rose from a regional power to a global power, and the US dollar became the world's reserve currency.

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I would get behind a real war on drugs. Seems to me like its either legalization or put a stop to it. If satellites can find an individual they can find labs and fields.



We've tried to suppress drug trafficking for decades, and yet it has become increasingly powerful.
I now also believe that legalization is the better way. But legalization must be implemented correctly to deprive drug trafficking of its economic basis while simultaneously protecting drug addicts as best as possible.
In my observation, Portugal has the best model for this so far: free drugs and intensive support for addicts by social workers.
Other countries have relied on models similar to those used for cigarettes: legalized drug trafficking by companies instead of the mafia. But these companies also have a strong interest in creating more drug addicts. The drug addicts don't receive the help they need, and the state profits from it through taxes. So the companies and the state themselves become the new drug dealers, while prices remain high enough to ensure that the illegal drug trade continues to be profitable.

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I dont believe anyone in our government wants to steal Venezuelan oil. They have passed up too many chances at middle eastern countries.


The US is extracting and selling off its own oil and gas reserves at a record pace. Trump therefore has good reasons why he would gladly incorporate Canada and Greenland into the US. And the oil- and gas-rich countries in Central and South America will not find peace either. If not Trump, then it will be one of the next US presidents who actively tries to install US-friendly regimes there again.

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Germany needs to run everything on coal again. You have plenty of it.


In Germany, climate propaganda was played out more intensively than in any other country in the world, in order to cut us off from the Russian resources that were the lifeblood of our manufacturing economy.
The majority of the population is firmly convinced of an impending climate catastrophe. See, for example, the climate referendum in the state of Hamburg on October 12, 2025. 53.2% of the population voted for further tightening of "climate protection." By 2040, all fossil heating systems in the city-state must be replaced with renewable energy. The gas grid is to be completely shut down. Traffic throughout the city is to be limited to 30 km/h. Etc., etc.
Economic suicide on demand.
The economic situation must become much worse than it already is for the population to understand.
Adjusted for inflation, our economic output has declined by 25% over the past 30 years. No other Western country has such a poor record.
We create our own Morgenthau Plan...

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8490698
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You lost me with the "free drugs and intensive support for addicts", Another welfare program is NOT what we need!

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8490710
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Is Akona living in Germany now? lol

I guess for whatever reason we have to keep a few American hating people on here.

China's about taking over all of central America, imagine the 'drug war' is a good excuse for us to move troops and ships down there. Should of never financed China taking over the world in the first place!


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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Manfred] #8490758
10/23/25 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Manfred
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Which countries were those?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

Most of your wars starting from 1775 were about some kind of resources.


So why did we give back mexico and why didnt we get any oil from iraq and why havent we annexed canada and greenland? Maybe the indian wars under "manifest destiny" era were for "resources.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: trapdog1] #8490863
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
You lost me with the "free drugs and intensive support for addicts", Another welfare program is NOT what we need!


You have to consider the overall social costs of procurement crime an combating drug trafficking that we are paying today.
If a good solution for the drug problem would reduce these by 80 %-90% society would save a lot of money despide the costs for social workers.
And think about the children born into junkie families, how much their future life's work and their contribution to society could improve.

But I was raised Christian, so I might have a distorted view of social Darwinism...

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8490868
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
So why did we give back mexico and why didnt we get any oil from iraq and why havent we annexed canada and greenland? Maybe the indian wars under "manifest destiny" era were for "resources.


Questions only your strategists could answer.

My guess is: occupying Canada would currently cost more than it would bring in. You already get Canadian raw materials below world market prices, and mining is often carried out by companies with a high proportion of US ownership.
Would the costs of an occupation really be justified by increased profits?
And if you take Greenland by force, you could lose half of NATO as a partners. One of the major concerns of the Heartland strategists.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8490929
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Looks like a formation of MV-22 Osprey and a Bombardier E-11A command aircraft are on their way from Puerto Rico to the south.
Maybe someone is getting a visit tonight.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Manfred] #8490933
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Originally Posted by Manfred
Originally Posted by trapdog1
You lost me with the "free drugs and intensive support for addicts", Another welfare program is NOT what we need!


You have to consider the overall social costs of procurement crime an combating drug trafficking that we are paying today.
If a good solution for the drug problem would reduce these by 80 %-90% society would save a lot of money despide the costs for social workers.
And think about the children born into junkie families, how much their future life's work and their contribution to society could improve.

But I was raised Christian, so I might have a distorted view of social Darwinism...



The problem is your "solution" won't work. Look at the cities who have jumped on this bandwagon.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: BandB] #8490937
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Originally Posted by BandB

The problem is your "solution" won't work. Look at the cities who have jumped on this bandwagon.


Are there any outside of Portugal?

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8490948
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Look at Seattle. Or Portland.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: BandB] #8490959
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Originally Posted by BandB
Look at Seattle. Or Portland.


These zombie zoos are about the opposite of what Portugal does.

And Portugal hasn't even fully implemented what I'm suggesting. They still have drug trafficking, and thus the dealers' interest in getting people addicted because there's no free drug distribution.

But at least they offer programs with methadone, etc.

The junkies are in much better health than in the US, the number of addicts has decreased, and some are even finding their way back to a somewhat normal life.



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I wonder what the cost of such a program. Im not big fan of welfare programs

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8490965
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The video states that drug-related costs have fallen by 18% because a lot of money is saved on court proceedings and prison sentences.

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