We chased that buck for years and as far as I know he died of old age.

Dads truck got shot driving down the road and a slug went through an outbuilding. Both from these safe deer drives.

Those don't sound like they were safe!

I don't care how others legally harvest deer. Personally, I have no interest in driving deer. Small, 1 or 2 man pushes to a stander can be super effective.

However, the bigger the group, the more likely you're going to have "one of those guys". Gut and rump shot deer is something I can do without. It's inevitably going to happen if you drive deer.