Explain how taking matters into our own hands, judge them in the "court of public opinion" and punish as we see fit differs from mob rule which often gets it wrong.

But what happens if people do bad things, and the official bodies choose not do anything and choose not to punish people that do bad things? We basically have 2 options, as far as I see. We can either....1.Shrug our shoulders and accept the fact that people got away with doing bad things, or 2. Take matters into our own hands, judge them in the "court of public opinion", and punish them as we see fit. (Not necessarily through violence, though it certainly happens that way sometimes, it can look like public shaming and humiliation too).

in other words, a lynch mob.

no 'Rules of Evidence".
no "Presumption of Innocence"
no "Right to an Attorney" [in the Court of public opinion]
no "Right to confront your Accuser"
no "Right to Discovery"
no "Right against Cruel and Unusual Punishment" [someone mentioned woodchippers]

really, no Constitutional Rights at all.

sounds like the Salem Witch Trials...

Lynch Mobs.

Plain and Simple.

under your preferred scenario, you better pray to God that no one throws an innuendo YOUR way. No proof required.

I saw a presser yesterday where one of the victims (with more gathered around her) gave a statement saying that they were going to release there own list.

Huh? What in God's green earth are you talking about? You're welcome weird, dude. Work on your reading comprehension.
I've been abundantly clear throughout this thread that mob rule is the opposite of what I want. I want the DOJ to do it's job and investigate claims of child rape, and prosecute where possible. I've literally said that like 3 times already in this thread.

In all seriousness, nobody with more than 2 brain cells wants a "list". What we want is for the DOJ to arrest people where there is probable cause to suspect them of commiting a crime, and then for those people to then be put on trial and to be found guilty or innocent by a jury. We don't want anyone in positions of power that rape kids to be treated any differently than anyone else that rapes kids.

The DOJ is perfectly capable of doing this, they have thousands upon thousands upon thousands of pages of documents, they know who the victims are, they can interview victims, question suspects, etc etc etc. Investigate accusations of child rape and not just sweep it under the rug because the accused are rich and famous.

The only reason people want "the files" to be publicly released is because they his has been going on for years, and Jeffrey Epstein has apparently been trafficking children to be raped by.......nobody?!?! If the DOJ isn't going to do their job investigate and prosecute baby rapers, then I guess let the accused be tried in the court of public opinion. Don't like that? Then the DOJ should do it's job.

Of course there's no list. There is, though, a trove of evidence and information that could be used to investigate and prosecute baby rapers, if the DOJ did it's job.


This whole Epstein thing is a pretty easy litmus test to see who cares about politics more than children being raped.

Weird strawman. Nobody said we should convict anyone for being in a list or file. We want them convicted after being investigated and put on trial.

Quit trying to minimize or blow off child rape.

Regarding the "court of public opinion".......we all hopefully agree that when people do bad things, they deserve to be punished. (In this case, the bad thing is raping children.) Now, in a civilized society, we like to rely on official bodies to do the deciding innocence and guilt, and to do thepunishing, which, in our society, is the executive and judicial branches. We rely on these official bodies to do it, because mob rule is messy and often "gets it wrong", and we view this official process has having legitimacy.

But what happens if people do bad things, and the official bodies choose not do anything and choose not to punish people that do bad things? We basically have 2 options, as far as I see. We can either....1.Shrug our shoulders and accept the fact that people got away with doing bad things, or 2. Take matters into our own hands, judge them in the "court of public opinion", and punish them as we see fit. (Not necessarily through violence, though it certainly happens that way sometimes, it can look like public shaming and humiliation too).

and if DOJ doesn't meet your expectations???

[quote=loosegoose]

in other words, a lynch mob.

no 'Rules of Evidence".
no "Presumption of Innocence"
no "Right to an Attorney" [in the Court of public opinion]
no "Right to confront your Accuser"
no "Right to Discovery"
no "Right against Cruel and Unusual Punishment" [someone mentioned woodchippers]

really, no Constitutional Rights at all.

sounds like the Salem Witch Trials...

Lynch Mobs.

Plain and Simple.

under your preferred scenario, you better pray to God that no one throws an innuendo YOUR way. No proof required.

and if DOJ doesn't meet your expectations???

(they haven't SO far...)