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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: beaverpeeler] #8508825
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Food processing plants typically employ a lot of migrant workers. Once they're all run off who will do that work?


They are not migrants. They are illegal aliens.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8508845
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Honest question, can big operations like that actually hire illegals?



I dont know but id think they'd have to have pretty solid paperwork before a big company would have anything to do with them.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8508856
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All the illegals have to do is show up with forged paperwork. The employer is not required to verify them. Tyson had help wanted ads in Mexican border towns. They also, in Emporia at least, brought in refugees from Somalia. The old IBP now Tyson plant in Holcomb KS did the same thing.

I hauled a LOT of IBP meat some years ago. Hauled out of Tyson with a hopper bottom. Processed by products for dog, hog and poultry feed. Lots of hides to KC where they were prepared for shipment to Chinese tanneries.

Its not just Tyson. All the thousands of head a week processors are filled with illegals.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Marty B] #8508864
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Originally Posted by Marty B
Honest question, can big operations like that actually hire illegals?



I dont know but id think they'd have to have pretty solid paperwork before a big company would have anything to do with them.


I think a lot of times it is a mix. Some legal and some illegals. Like a lot of work environments, their are family connections in the workforce


"A recent earnings report indicated that Tyson stands to lose some $600 million in its beef business next fiscal year, on top of the already-incurred $720 million loss over the last two years. "


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8508871
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Just adds to the hysteria already have people around here crying they wont have strawberries next year because nobody to pick them


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: beaverpeeler] #8508891
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Food processing plants typically employ a lot of migrant workers. Once they're all run off who will do that work?

Those used to be good, blue collar jobs before Tyson and others began importing their labor and paying them crap.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: jeff karsten] #8508895
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Just adds to the hysteria already have people around here crying they wont have strawberries next year because nobody to pick them


I will say picking strawberries is a dang hard job lol. Several years ago I was in between jobs and replied to a facebook ad looking for strawberry pickers just down the road. They were paying by the quart, and you could make at least $20/hr picking. I lasted 8 hours. Got my pay and went home, intending to go back the next day. I literally could not get out of bed, lol. 8 hours in a crouching position and I simply could not move the next day. Had to call and tell them I quit, lol. I ended up not quitting, but worked in the produce stand instead. They used (legal!) Mexicans to pick the rest of the strawberries. They brought them here on some H-something or other visa and paid for their housing in addition to whatever wages they got. Those Mexicans were something else... I watched them work 12 hour days in the field in 100 degree MS humid heat while I was dying in the shade of the canopy of the produce stand.

I don't believe farmers will be unable to find workers... whether it is legal immigrants or Americans, but they will need to pay more.


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Pawnee] #8508903
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Food processing plants typically employ a lot of migrant workers. Once they're all run off who will do that work?


Americans. The new Cooperative beef plant in Nebraska proved it a few months ago. That had lines of Americans waiting to interview.


I always said the illegals only do jobs Americans won't was a lie. They will do jobs Americans won't at the low pay Illiegals will. Im a good example. Was not anything much I wouldn't do if the pay was worth it and some times when it was not but I needed the income. Line clearance tree work, building cell towers, smoke stacks, bridges, tieing rebar at existing sewer plants. Cleaning in a food plant i worked in after highschool was nasty.

enough to make it worth my while at the time.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8508909
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"The Congressional Budget Office now projects the U.S. fertility rate will average just 1.6 births per woman over the next three decades, well short of the 2.1 needed for a stable population.

Experts warn that this demographic shift will contribute to an aging population, shrink the workforce, and strain public programs designed to support seniors."


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Dirt] #8508914
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Originally Posted by Dirt
"The Congressional Budget Office now projects the U.S. fertility rate will average just 1.6 births per woman over the next three decades, well short of the 2.1 needed for a stable population.

Experts warn that this demographic shift will contribute to an aging population, shrink the workforce, and strain public programs designed to support seniors."

Turns out ponzi schemes collapse, whoda thunk it.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: trapdog1] #8508917
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Food processing plants typically employ a lot of migrant workers. Once they're all run off who will do that work?

Those used to be good, blue collar jobs before Tyson and others began importing their labor and paying them crap.


And beef prices never went down despite what was almost slave labor Tyson was using.

I bet company profits soared though.


Eh...wot?

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8508926
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If your business model can not exist in a legal manner, paying a high enough wage to attract workers, Then , maybe , I dont know, your business sucks and should not exist????


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: beaverpeeler] #8508928
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Food processing plants typically employ a lot of migrant workers. Once they're all run off who will do that work?

Illegal immigration is illegal.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8508929
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Carl doesn't care as long as they pick his berries.


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8508934
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Dirt
"The Congressional Budget Office now projects the U.S. fertility rate will average just 1.6 births per woman over the next three decades, well short of the 2.1 needed for a stable population.

Experts warn that this demographic shift will contribute to an aging population, shrink the workforce, and strain public programs designed to support seniors."

Turns out ponzi schemes collapse, whoda thunk it.


That is not the point of the post. These magical American workers don't and won't exist.


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8508939
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Than import migrants.......legally. If the dumb preacher/farmer I worked for could do it....anyone can.


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Dirt] #8508951
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Marty B
Honest question, can big operations like that actually hire illegals?



I dont know but id think they'd have to have pretty solid paperwork before a big company would have anything to do with them.


I think a lot of times it is a mix. Some legal and some illegals. Like a lot of work environments, their are family connections in the workforce


"A recent earnings report indicated that Tyson stands to lose some $600 million in its beef business next fiscal year, on top of the already-incurred $720 million loss over the last two years. "





Theres got to be some managerial malpractice if they're losing money in the midst of the highest retail beef prices in the history of earth.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8508959
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Legal immigration is not based on the law of supply and demand. It is based on government created caps.

"Limitations on Green Cards

For the capped preference categories in the family and employment streams, U.S. law imposes a limit on how many immigrants from any particular country can receive green cards in a given year. Under the per-country cap set in the Immigration Act of 1990, no country can receive more than 7 percent of the total number of employment-based and family-sponsored preference visas in a given year. There are no per-country limits for uncapped categories, such as immediate relatives of U.S. citizens.

Because of the numerical caps and per-country caps on certain green-card categories, there are significant waits for some categories, with sharper effects on a few countries. For example, as of April 2019, the wait for U.S. citizens to sponsor adult, unmarried children was more than seven years for most parts of the world, but was 12 years for relatives from the Philippines—and more than 21 years for those from Mexico. As of November 2018, there were 3.7 million people waiting in line abroad for a family-sponsored green card, and 121,000 awaiting an employment-sponsored green card."

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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Marty B] #8508961
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Lots of big companies have a thing called "projected" income for a time period and this can be inflated to such a profit margin that it's rarely obtainable. The company then can say they "lost" money during that time when in fact they didn't. "Corporate America" can show blue collar workers and the public sector anything - either good or bad. They are liars and crooks.

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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: trapper les] #8508964
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Originally Posted by trapper les
Is Tyson china owned?

No, it’s an American multinational.

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