the FBI did a study and found that basically every troubled department , usually they determined troubled by number of very questionable to bad shoots , had something in common.

the department derived much of it's revenue from citations , so everyone was getting a citation for every head light or any small thing, that wore on the people they knew they were getting pulled over to fund the department , tensions ran high and moral among officers was bad. anyone who could leave for another department did and so you only got the not as good cops.
you see the people with larger land holdings didn't like the property taxes and knew they were also much less likely to get pulled over so they funded the elections for people who would shift department funding to citation based funding.


on the flip side , when gangs were trying to move into Green county from Beloit we spent a lot on overtime pulled a lot of cars over.
got known as the don't speed or have anything wrong with your car town and county.

we have Educational stops as they call them , this is hey we don't want to give you a ticket but you do need to get the light fixed or whatever it is. but you also can't lie to make a stop.

as my son says , profiling isn't ineffective , they aren't wrong , it is just not PC
a car with all blacked out windows and every part of the car buzzing from the base played on the stereo , driving around in a small farm town might need directions back to the state road.
because if it was locals they would already know who they were.

I am not condoning illegal stops , and I do think when we drive our older vehicles assumptions are made about us.

PF....your truck probably fits the profile of a meth runner or a possible

DWI candidate....being from the 20th century

Can’t even stop a vehicle for a license light issue here it’s a secondary issue only if your stopped for a primary reason can it be brought up then.

If it’s not a “legal” stop, then it’s illegal. Should be able to do more than just file a complaint.

I guess you have never had an encounter with nervous cop pulling his gun on you with get back in the car get back in the car now .

You were profiled.

Yep, if he would work an 8 hour shift, none of this would have ever happened.

It was not late just a little after 11pm shift this week is 7 am to 7 pm but I stayed over 4 hrs so got off at 11pm But that is irrelevant. It appears your of the mide set of trading freedom for the illusion of safety and would be very happy living in 1930s Germany with papers pleas and gladly pick the boot if it keeps you safe or you think it may. It won't and you loose freedom but with that mind set you don't deserve the freedom to begain with.

I couls ask I sure wish a cop stopped the kid that ran the light and killed my some for no reason delaying him so he was bot at the intersection and didn't run the lite and hit us. BUT life is dangerous and crap happens.

So I guess the Supreme Court ruling saying that the officer believes that there is a violation means nothing. Sounds like the vehicle is a rolling violation. OP even confessed that lights were broken due to a deer impact. Maybe he should’ve wrote him a ticket for that then he wouldn’t been whining like a spoiled rich guy for getting stopped. Sir if this is the worst thing that happens to you this week be sure to thank the lord for being blessed!!!!

The saying is if you want to stop a vehicle just follow it for a few minutes. I see real violations everywhere in a days time some extremely dangerous moves like blowing rural stop signs because they are familiar just an accident waiting to happen.

I don't care about the stop its the lying about my and making it under false presence. He needs to articulate reasonable suspicion. He didn't say I thought your lite was out he said it was. A clear lie to cover his stop. I pointed out reason he could use for stop for a reason mostly ther was no need to make something up. This fourm is full of great people but a lot of boot lickers and simps with the age and rual demographic.

I think what the sc is saying is if a couple thugs in a red tempo just robbed a bank and your driving a red tempo in the area it reasonable for officer to pull you over because he “thinks” you might have been involved. It doesn’t give police the right to pull you over and state a fake reason. Had OP been drunk and was pulled over for a fake reason it most likely would have been kicked for improbable cause. Just my opinion.

What freedom did you lose? Didn’t cost you a penny !! Did they take your truck ? Please tell us nazis what you lost ? People crying “my freedom is gone “ is getting old. Calling people nazi is so last year. Maybe the expenses can be tax deductible!! Oh wait THERE WASNT ANY!!
Heck you don’t know the 10 minutes you lost might have saved you from having a wreck. Hitting another deer. Geez find a real problem to get in the internet and whine about…
Have a great one. Time for bed 3 rd shift blows

Here , if you get out they start getting nervous.......might get gunned down , on account you " might" have a gun


License plate light ...........number one go to for revenue generators

Yeah paid that cops salary from fines collected for a written warning

If you are ok with cops lie about small things because its just an inconvenience I guess your also OK with serous corruption. Says a lot about your character.

But your correct its not illegal for cops to lie to you, that's been proven in court. I don't like dishonest people.

I agree I don't like working nights much anymore. Infact I only get about 4.5 hrs to sleep when I work 16s. So I don't want to spend 10 min of it with some small town want to be cop lieing about why he stopped me. How about while he was wasting time with me maybe he missed a drunk he should have pulled over that went down the road and killed a family. OR the delay may have caused me to be in a wreck i otherwise would not have .

You see the what it or how about game can be played non stop.

Send the written warning back to the Police Department with a note telling them the officer lied about stopping you so the warning doesn't count.

As the world turns..... never ending drama..

Absent a violation, or articulable reasonable suspicion you are involved in a specific crime, a traffic stop is a violation your Forth Amendment rights against unreasonable seizures.

Cops that do this should be fired because they are violating the public trust and your constitutional rights. Absent a valid reason for a stop, any evidence they find of a crime would be fruit of a poisonous tree and would be inadmissible in court. So, it is just stupid and lazy and unethical police work.

Most times if an officer wants to make a legal stop they can follow and catch you in an illegal lane change or something.

If I were ever stopped without cause I would file a formal complaint with the department demanding a review of the officer's body cam and car cam.

… I usually put on Waylon Jennings and run