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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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Martin believed some things that most Protestants would disagree with today, such as Mary being sinless. He was, after all, catholic before he became convinced that the church was corrupt. He didn't want to start a new church, he was trying to reform the existing one, but it didn't happen. While Luther disagreed with some things the Catholic church was teaching when he left it he still carried over some of their traditions.
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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May St. Francis De Sales and all those holy men and women which defended the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic church during the turbulent time following the erroneous “reformation” pray for us, and through their intercession obtain the graces necessary to call all of our Protestant seperated brethren home to the only church founded by Christ Himself and which offers Himself fully to us in the presence of the Sacrament of the Eucharist, whose magisterium is guided by the Holy Spirit, and which honors (not worships) Mary as Queen of Heaven and Earth! The true Christian faith is, has, and always will be Catholic  Veni, Sancte Spiritus! Amen. Peace be with you.
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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If you can fall from Grace, then Grace isn't enough? Maybe a state of Grace needs to be maintained? Wouldn't such a condition make us under the law?
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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Wouldn't such a condition make us under the law? From Matthew 19: The Rich Young Man.
16 Now someone approached him and said, “Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?”
17 He answered him, “Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good.* If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He asked him, “Which ones?” And Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness;
19 honor your father and your mother’; and ‘you shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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Wouldn't such a condition make us under the law? From Matthew 19: The Rich Young Man.
16 Now someone approached him and said, “Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?”
17 He answered him, “Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good.* If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He asked him, “Which ones?” And Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness;
19 honor your father and your mother’; and ‘you shall love your neighbor as yourself.’” As I read it, that parable suggest you can't serve two Gods. Money being that other "god" of the rich young man's heart.
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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As I read it, that parable suggest you can't serve two Gods. Money being that other "god" of the rich young man's heart. Yes, it says that, but it also explicitly says to keep the commandments as a condition for eternal life, does it not?
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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As I read it, that parable suggest you can't serve two Gods. Money being that other "god" of the rich young man's heart. Yes, it says that, but it also explicitly says to keep the commandments as a condition for eternal life, does it not? Yes it does but Jesus was speaking to a Jewish fellow who was under the law. Under the law ,keeping the commandments would have been necessary for righteousness. Under the new covenant the blood of Jesus is sufficient for righteousness.
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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Yes it does but Jesus was speaking to a Jewish fellow who was under the law. Under the law ,keeping the commandments would have been necessary for righteousness. Under the new covenant the blood of Jesus is sufficient for righteousness. I don't buy it. Jesus didn't say to keep the entire Law of Moses; he explicitly said to keep the commandments, and then specifically listed them. Indeed, earlier in this same chapter, Jesus expressed strong disagreement with the Law of Moses regarding divorce. Jesus didn't qualify any of this by saying it only applies to Jews.
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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Yes it does but Jesus was speaking to a Jewish fellow who was under the law. Under the law ,keeping the commandments would have been necessary for righteousness. Under the new covenant the blood of Jesus is sufficient for righteousness. I don't buy it. Jesus didn't say to keep the entire Law of Moses; he explicitly said to keep the commandments, and then specifically listed them. Indeed, earlier in this same chapter, Jesus expressed strong disagreement with the Law of Moses regarding divorce. Jesus didn't qualify any of this by saying it only applies to Jews. Precisely.
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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What's up with Sheepdog starting this post and then running off, anyways? LOL
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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[quote=J Staton]If you can fall from Grace, then Grace isn't enough? Maybe a state of Grace needs to be maintained? Wouldn't such a condition make us under the law? Well don't we all believe we have to maintain faith to stay in a state of grace? That's not law, but living by the spirit.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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What's up with Sheepdog starting this post and then running off, anyways? LOL Angela, I'm a Catholic convert. The very first words I said to Stephanie ( my wife ) was, " I'm gonna pick this apart. " That was ten years ago. Theres no holes in it. It's all there. It's complete. Katholokos in Greek. I couldn't find a flaw in it. Flaws in how the Church conducted business. Sure. But the dogma is sound. I'm not leaving it. In the words of Andrew Wouters , " Fornicator I was,heretic never. " That was just before he was hung among the Martyrs . I'm not a member of The Church because of the Vatican, or a pope. Because its all there. Everything you need to gain is literally right there. My friend, I've survived suicide attempts ( those defied logic) , a stroke that nobody can explain how I'm functional today , and a gut sepsis requiring a colostomy leaving me with nothing more than some really cool scars. I pray my Rosary , I request prayers from my unseen friends ( the saints) , and confess my sins in accordance to scripture. And I'm still learning. Its hard to talk someone like Sheepdog. My Dad is a retired Baptist pastor. We don't talk theology. Dad's just glad I'm no longer faith apathetic.
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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very interesting that He studied the book of Romans and figured out the truth. Which Protestant denomination is currently carrying the torch of "truth"? Precisely my brother.
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Protestants !? When was the last time you kneeled before your Creator ?
We always do. He's King.
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Works are evidence that one has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, we are bond servants to our Master. Works will never gain you salvation, nor will paying pentence. We are powerless no matter how good of a person we are if we fail to accept Jesus Christ and his teachings as presented in the Canonized Holy Bible. We are saved by the grace of God, freely given and not earned. But I have known people who were devout Christians early in life, who surely were in a state of salvation, but who later in life lost the faith and became atheists. Are they still saved? I pray you,brother. Keep on.
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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis
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What's up with Sheepdog starting this post and then running off, anyways? LOL Angela, I'm a Catholic convert. The very first words I said to Stephanie ( my wife ) was, " I'm gonna pick this apart. " That was ten years ago. Theres no holes in it. It's all there. It's complete. Katholokos in Greek. I couldn't find a flaw in it. Flaws in how the Church conducted business. Sure. But the dogma is sound. I'm not leaving it. In the words of Andrew Wouters , " Fornicator I was,heretic never. " That was just before he was hung among the Martyrs . I'm not a member of The Church because of the Vatican, or a pope. Because its all there. Everything you need to gain is literally right there. My friend, I've survived suicide attempts ( those defied logic) , a stroke that nobody can explain how I'm functional today , and a gut sepsis requiring a colostomy leaving me with nothing more than some really cool scars. I pray my Rosary , I request prayers from my unseen friends ( the saints) , and confess my sins in accordance to scripture. And I'm still learning. Its hard to talk someone like Sheepdog. My Dad is a retired Baptist pastor. We don't talk theology. Dad's just glad I'm no longer faith apathetic. Well, Aaron, all I know is 90% of the atheists I know were raised Catholic. Hard to believe that's a coincidence.
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