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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: SD Coon Catcher] #8527950
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Originally Posted by SD Coon Catcher
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Does the Catholic Church teach that the only way to Salvation is through them? And if they do can you show me in the Bible where it says that?

No the Catholic Church does not claim that, however it does possess the Fullness of Means to Salvation through Christ. No Protestant or other religion can claim the fullness of means (they lack the Sacraments and Apostolic teaching). The second Vatican Council does recognize that elements of truth and sanctification can exist outside the Catholic Church, however why would one not seek the fullness of the means and truth?

Because I've never read anything about the fullness of means though the the Catholic in the Bible. The does say nothing should be added to it or subtract to it which means it is the complete Word of God.

Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Osagan] #8527961
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Originally Posted by Osagan
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You accuse the Catholic Church of many wrongdoings in the past, with little regard for its present status. Why? I invite you to find any “totally corrupt doctrine”, I assure you- you will not.


I would say the Catholic Church showing tough love to heretics by burning them at the stake or stretching their body parts on racks to be a totally corrupt doctrine.

And then there is John Tetzel extorting the poor folks for money to pay their loved ones into heaven. Or, out of purgatory/jail.


The Spanish Inquisition was state lead by the Spanish Monarchy, with Pope Sixtus IV granting them the authority to appoint inquisitors for tribunals. In no way were their actions Catholic doctrine. This is another instance of confusion between individual fallibility and the infallible Institution which is the Catholic Church.

Tetzel’s individual practice of selling indulgences was never doctrine, making that point null. Again, we must seperate the individual from the Institution.. Additionally, The Council of Trent officially banned this practice in the middle 1500’s.

I will continue to defend Mother Church as infallible. The actions of sinful Catholics who act in a corrupt manner individually cannot refute this fact.

Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Sheepdog1] #8527968
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The term “Catholic Church” does not need to be explicitly named in the Bible for us to understand that it was the Church Christ instituted and willed all his flock to be member of.

Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: NorthwesternYote] #8528354
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Originally Posted by NorthwesternYote
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By the way, the first church was really the teachings of the disciples and Paul. According to history, the Catholic churches origins came about in 590C.E. by Pope Gregory. This time marked consolidation of land controlled by authority of the the pope and later became known as the "papal states". Prior to that there was no Catholic church.

"We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church."

That predates Pope Gregory. There was a catholic, as in universal, church and it wasn't Protestant.

In the Nicene Creed the literal word "Catholic" refers to the entire body of Christ based on the teachings of the apostles. The word catholic's meaning is "Universal". The Catholic church came into being in 590CE by Pope Gregory. Look it up. The first churches were the teachings of the apostles.


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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: SD Coon Catcher] #8528361
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Originally Posted by SD Coon Catcher
Originally Posted by Yes sir
Does the Catholic Church teach that the only way to Salvation is through them? And if they do can you show me in the Bible where it says that?

No the Catholic Church does not claim that, however it does possess the Fullness of Means to Salvation through Christ. No Protestant or other religion can claim the fullness of means (they lack the Sacraments and Apostolic teaching). The second Vatican Council does recognize that elements of truth and sanctification can exist outside the Catholic Church, however why would one not seek the fullness of the means and truth?

The Catholic church certainly lacks the apostolic teachings more than any other church. When I was a Catholic growing up we were taught not with biblical teachings, but instead with a catechism that extols the church. It was hard as an adult to find a Catholic church that encouraged bible study that would bring you closer to Christ.


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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Sheepdog1] #8528395
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That's such a weird statement. We have a Bible study every Tuesday. When I was going through OCIA ,we were encouraged to bring our Bibles.


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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Sheepdog1] #8528416
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St. Peter was the first Pope of the Catholic Church. He is the rock on which Christ founded his Church, meaning it came into existence when Christ was incarnate on this Earth. Claiming that the Catholic Church began in 590 is not true.

Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #8528447
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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
That's such a weird statement. We have a Bible study every Tuesday. When I was going through OCIA ,we were encouraged to bring our Bibles.

That's good to hear. I was in a really good bible study with a priest who I got to be good friends with back in the day. He was an exception back then, though. If you are in a bible study, it sounds encouraging that there are more modern priests who realize the importance of studying the bible.


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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Trapper7] #8528449
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
That's such a weird statement. We have a Bible study every Tuesday. When I was going through OCIA ,we were encouraged to bring our Bibles.

That's good to hear. I was in a really good bible study with a priest who I got to be good friends with back in the day. He was an exception back then, though. If you are in a bible study, it sounds encouraging that there are more modern priests who realize the importance of studying the bible.



In all fairness , that's all I know , bud. So I've never experienced what you mentioned. Hence, why I called it a " weird statement ". Came off more disparaging than I intended.


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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Sheepdog1] #8528458
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I didn't take your comment as disparaging. I'm probably a lot older than you and that's how it was in my day.
I don't keep up much on things with the Catholic church these days. But, your comments are encouraging.


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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Trapper7] #8528505
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
I didn't take your comment as disparaging. I'm probably a lot older than you and that's how it was in my day.
I don't keep up much on things with the Catholic church these days. But, your comments are encouraging.


Merry Christmas, T7.


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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Sheepdog1] #8528507
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… I thought all the Catholics got gay with alter boys or something?

… but then again I was in situation as a boy where a babtist camp counselor was way too eager to check the boys for ticks

… I slipped out the back and went fishin

… been skeptical ever since lol


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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Trapper7] #8528909
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
The word catholic's meaning is "Universal".

I literally said that in my post you quoted: "There was a catholic, as in universal, church and it wasn't Protestant."

Originally Posted by Trapper7
The Catholic church came into being in 590CE by Pope Gregory. Look it up.


Here's Pope Leo I over a century before your circa 590 AD Pope Gregory:

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...the care of the universal Church should converge towards Peter's one seat, and nothing anywhere should be separated from its Head.


https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3604014.htm

Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Sheepdog1] #8528911
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Our family departed from the Catholic religion when I was in fifth grade. I was enrolled in a Catholic school, and my fifth grade teacher, Sister Bernard, told me my mother, who was Presbyterian, was going to hades because she was not catholic. Me and my sisters were taken out of that school and went to public school. I turned out to be an atheist for years because of that, and one of my sisters still is. In my opinion Catholicism is a cult to raise money for the Vatican. Nothing more.


John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

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The word catholic means universal and it didn't mean protestant or the catholic church as we know it today. It referred to the teachings of the apostles who meant the Christian church as a whole.
If Peter was the first pope, who was his successor? In Romans, Paul writes to the Christians in Rome, but never mentions Peter. Yet, he greets 27 individuals by name. Peter spent most of his time preaching in Jerusalem and Antioch. If he were the first pope he would have gone to Rome. Eventually he did go there and was martyred there.


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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Our family departed from the Catholic religion when I was in fifth grade. I was enrolled in a Catholic school, and my fifth grade teacher, Sister Bernard, told me my mother, who was Presbyterian, was going to hades because she was not catholic. Me and my sisters were taken out of that school and went to public school. I turned out to be an atheist for years because of that, and one of my sisters still is. In my opinion Catholicism is a cult to raise money for the Vatican. Nothing more.

Your John 14:6 tells it all. Jesus is the only way by believing in Him, not any church. Just being a Catholic or a member any church won't save you.


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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
Originally Posted by Trapper7
I didn't take your comment as disparaging. I'm probably a lot older than you and that's how it was in my day.
I don't keep up much on things with the Catholic church these days. But, your comments are encouraging.


Merry Christmas, T7.

Merry Christmas to you as well.
I think it's sad when so many advertisements say Happy Holidays or Seasons Greetings refusing to acknowledge the true meaning of this time of the year, Christmas.
When I was in business, every person who came through our door was greeted with Merry Christmas!


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Re: Martin Luthers 95 Thesis [Re: Trapper7] #8529102
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
If Peter was the first pope, who was his successor?

Pope Linus

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Originally Posted by NorthwesternYote
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If Peter was the first pope, who was his successor?

Pope Linus

According to early Christian historian Irenaeus, Linus was appointed BISHOP of Rome after Peter's death.


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Originally Posted by Trapper7
According to early Christian historian Irenaeus, Linus was appointed BISHOP of Rome after Peter's death.

The pope is the bishop of Rome.

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