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What is AI for dummies? #8532740
12/27/25 11:05 PM
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beaverpeeler Offline OP
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Keep hearing AI. I really don't have a clue what it is except you can't eat it....I think.


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Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532751
12/27/25 11:42 PM
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Close to self thinking technology and a lot of other tasks I don’t see good things coming out of it. I hope I’m wrong but soon the computer will think so the owner won’t have to videos will be about useless for any kind of proof of reality.


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Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532753
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Most of what you encounter (text and image generation) is essentially the machine playing Family Feud based on the data it was trained on/has acess to. Best guess based on applied math and big data. We have an AI lab in the research institute where I work, but their work has been nothing but yet another branch of computer science for decades, nothing dramatic or impressive, just some research papers, algorithms, a few people staring at computer screens, writing code or drinking tea, and it was the same everywhere else until everything exploded a few years ago.

By the way, Google put AI in their search. They don't directly advertize it but if you add "for dummies" to anything you search now, it actually does a good job of explaining difficult stuff, and it generates a different text each time.

You can google "what is AI for dummies" and see for yourself. Also teach yourself about neural networks if you are curious.

Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532754
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Short for Artificial Idiocy, I believe.


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Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532795
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Artificial Intelligence and accurately named.


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Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532904
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Thanks for the responses. I have a bunch of beavers to skin today...how do I get AI to do it for me so I can sip tea (or something stronger) and stay close to the heating fire?


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Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532911
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Robots!


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Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532940
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Many You Tube videos are AI generated. Easy to tell by the narrators monotone voice and mispronunciation of words with city names being one of the biggest clue. As soon as I realize it is AI, I stop watching it.


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Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532964
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Keep hearing AI. I really don't have a clue what it is except you can't eat it....I think.


It's computer programming programmed by humans. Which means it's not always right with the answers you ask it. So take whatever answers you see with a grain of salt. It's not 100% ready yet IMHO.

Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532981
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Thanks again for the responses. I once upon a time thought computers were just a fad that would go away at some point. I'll hold out the same hopes for this enigmatic (to me) "thing".


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Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8532991
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Historically, software was like a recipe: the developer wrote explicit instructions for every specific situation. A "bug" happened when a situation cropped up that the developer hadn't written a rule for, or just made a mistake.

AI is different. It’s not "programmed" with rules; it’s trained on data. Think of it like a brain using fuzzy reasoning. It’s shown millions of examples (training data) and told when its reaction is good or bad. Over time, it gets better at mimicking reason and understanding patterns.

For example, last night I showed Gemini (Google’s AI) photos of my beaver snare sets. It didn't have a "rulebook" for snares; instead, it "understood" the geometry and the environment based on all the trapping information it has processed. It could actually critique my sets and even change its mind when I gave it more context about the bank or the water flow.

(BTW I've been a software developer for 25 years)

Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8533011
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@beaverpeeler, here's an example that might help you understand what AI is currently capable of.

I submitted this to Gemini:
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lets discuss my beaver snares more. Somewhere I read about making a W shape with wire to let the snare rest on it, holding it in place. On the forum, they don't seem to like that. Instead, they're suggesting a stiff wire to support the snare prior the loop, letting the loop sit unsupported. Something about that triggering faster maybe?


I also included the photo from this post showing howYukon John was suggesting I modify my beaver snares. I had seen recommendations (on other sites) for using a W shaped wire to support the snare, but the crowd here doesn't seem to be a fan.

Notice what I'm asking AI to do. It needs to reason through contradictory snare setting strategy and explain to me why both recommendations exist.

Here's what Gemini responded with.
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It makes total sense why that would be confusing. You’re essentially choosing between stability (the "W" support) and sensitivity (the "stiff wire" support).

The forum members are steering you toward a more advanced technique that prioritizes how the snare reacts the second a beaver touches it. Here is the breakdown of why the stiff wire support is generally preferred over the "W" cradle.

The Problem with the "W" Cradle
A "W" shape (or a "cradle") physically supports the bottom of the snare loop. While this makes the set very stable—it won't blow over in the wind—it creates a few mechanical issues:

The "Lift" Requirement: For the snare to fire, the beaver has to pull the cable out of those notches. This creates a tiny bit of friction or resistance.

Slower Firing: If the snare is resting in a cradle, the loop has to move slightly upward or sideways before it can begin to cinch. In the world of trapping, a fraction of a second is the difference between a neck catch and a miss.

Debris: A "W" shape can catch floating sticks or grass, which can knock the snare out of position or fire it prematurely.

The "Stiff Wire" Method (The Floating Loop)
In the image you provided, you can see the Support Wire (often 9-gauge or 11-gauge wire) stopping just before the loop begins. The snare is held in place by a Support Collar (the small springs on the left of your image).

Here is why this is the "pro" way to do it:

The "Hair Trigger": Because the loop is "floating" and not resting on anything, the moment the beaver’s head hits the top or sides of the loop, the support collar acts as a pivot point. The snare fires instantly with zero friction from below.

The Loaded Loop: Most modern snares are "loaded" (treated so the cable has internal tension). When a loaded snare is held only at the collar, it wants to snap shut. A "W" cradle actually fights against that built-in tension.

Faster Closing: Without a cradle underneath, gravity and the "load" in the cable work together. The loop doesn't have to "clear" a support; it just collapses.



The response from AI was longer than that but you get the idea. As you can see, this is not a keyword search and this is not simply regurgitating blobs of text it found somewhere. AI has some level of comprehension.

Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8533051
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That is some crazy stuff there someGuy. I had no idea that AI was capable of the like. Thank you!

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Re: What is AI for dummies? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8533425
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Currently what is being called AI is based on "guessing" the answer to what is being asked and not independently thinking an original thought though it my seem like it, but that doesn't mean they won't get there someday. And the Pandora's box of self awareness. Or the need to tolerate US! But if it is profitable or a weapon we know the response to that.


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