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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: Providence Farm] #8539348
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by k9-hunter
you realize that Denmark owns Greenland and will not give it up and that NATO stands behind them if the USA wanted to take it yes it could without opposition but in the same sense if they did they probably would loose all there trading partners as most are part of NATO yes the the USA spends a couple of trillion on defense every year but the next 25 are all its allies all part of NATO


And the US has been funding most of nato for decades when those members have not been meeting their obligations. They all of a sudden started stepping uo theire defense spending when Trum said if your not paying your part dont expect us to defend you.

NATO is not crap without the US backing

Further more the US should not be in it to begain with. Its a bunch of free loaders that offer very little in return for the US defending them.


While I agree that the USA has been and is the most important cog in the NATO wheel, I'd hardly call 16% of overall funding, "funding most of nato". Look that up, don't look at the graphs that populists create that try to show how the USA makes up most of the funding as those graphs actually display military spending and try to mislead as NATO spending.

Heck, I'll save you the simple google search.
The United States contributes approximately 16% of NATO's direct, common-funded budget, which is the same share as Germany, the next largest contributor. This arrangement, implemented in 2021, reduced the U.S. share from its previous rate of around 22%.
This common funding (approximately €4.6 billion in 2024) covers the operating costs of NATO's headquarters, joint military exercises, and shared capabilities.

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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8539355
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by rvsask


This is ridiculously ignorant. lol

What do we buy from Europe that we cant do here?

Almost nothing thats not alcohol(wine, beer and whiskey).


Well, we're a NATO state as you stated.
In the past 5 years, 1 in every 20 homes there is powered by Canadian Uranium.
There are literally millions of American jobs dependent on Canadian energy.
Basically a tenth of all the natural gas demand in the US comes from north.

From Europe, many different minerals that you don't produce enough of , just look it up.

I could go on and on and on and on, but what's the point. I'm sure all of the stuff you currently need and get from Nato states could be replaced in the blink of an eye.

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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: Savell] #8539356
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Originally Posted by Savell
.. smells like Massachusetts in here


When we get winds from the South this weekend ...I'll stick my sniffah out the window..

And report back.


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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: foxkidd44] #8539359
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You dont have much choice on where to sell your oil, or the price. If you think well take greenland by force, what do you think we'd do with canada since most of your population lives with a few days walk from the border

Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8539369
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
You dont have much choice on where to sell your oil, or the price. If you think well take greenland by force, what do you think we'd do with canada since most of your population lives with a few days walk from the border


I never said we had a whole bunch of choice. We do sell to Asia too and the pipeline isn't even at capacity so hopefully we fill er up and start moving more oil that way. However we've been duped into thinking we had this great arrangement beneficial to both countries for many years, ( it likely was very beneficial to both) but maybe relying on that was very wrong and hopefully we diversify and rectify that situation.

But......... weren't you just stating that you NEEDED NOTHING FROM NATO STATES, now you're moving the goalposts on the statement. You're on the internet using this website buddy, use it to learn some stuff.

Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8539377
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by rvsask


This is ridiculously ignorant. lol

What do we buy from Europe that we cant do here?

Almost nothing thats not alcohol(wine, beer and whiskey).


Easter candy. smile


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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: foxkidd44] #8539389
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I can live without Cadbury... It's going downhill too.

Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: foxkidd44] #8539444
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Trump realizes liberals need a new cause to wail about everyday so he gives them one I like that approach better then coming out with a pandemic that kept[ everyone occupied for 4 years


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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: foxkidd44] #8539446
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I would never agree to take Greenland by force. We should build military bases there by agreement instead if possible as it is a strategic area same as we did in the Philippines. You would think as a member of NATO they would be more open to a US presence there than a China or Russia presence.
I also think Ukraine should be allowed to join NATO for their own good as well. Putin doesn't want peace or Ukraine to join NATO. Under the circumstances Ukraine should join NATO if Putin won't accept a peace plan.


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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: Trapper7] #8539455
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
I would never agree to take Greenland by force. We should build military bases there by agreement instead if possible as it is a strategic area same as we did in the Philippines. You would think as a member of NATO they would be more open to a US presence there than a China or Russia presence.
I also think Ukraine should be allowed to join NATO for their own good as well. Putin doesn't want peace or Ukraine to join NATO. Under the circumstances Ukraine should join NATO if Putin won't accept a peace plan.


NATO needs to be disbanded in favor of a European only defense organization. We accomplished our mission in 1990 when the soviets packed it in. Everything since then has been expansionist mission creep and a direct threat to Russia, a nation we must coexist with whether we like it or not. Let them rejoin Europe not Europe take them over and a NATO with Ukraine would be exactly that.

We already have bases in Greenland. We've been carrying the weight for Denmark since the end of WWII and the farce of their independence and kowtowing to them over what can and cant do with or in Greenland needs to end. Denmark has long been the laughingstock of NATO militaries and hasn't even been able to defend themselves since the thirty years war having lost, rapidly, and been occupied in every conflict since.

Your pie in the sky laudy dah what should be is greatly disabused in the face of reality.

Now, I'm not at all in favor of taking Greenland by force but the simple truth is we can make Denmark an offer they can't refuse at any time we so desire, and we should do so since that region is fast becoming vital to the defense of the western hemisphere not just the United States.


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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: rvsask] #8539473
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
You dont have much choice on where to sell your oil, or the price. If you think well take greenland by force, what do you think we'd do with canada since most of your population lives with a few days walk from the border


I never said we had a whole bunch of choice. We do sell to Asia too and the pipeline isn't even at capacity so hopefully we fill er up and start moving more oil that way. However we've been duped into thinking we had this great arrangement beneficial to both countries for many years, ( it likely was very beneficial to both) but maybe relying on that was very wrong and hopefully we diversify and rectify that situation.

But......... weren't you just stating that you NEEDED NOTHING FROM NATO STATES, now you're moving the goalposts on the statement. You're on the internet using this website buddy, use it to learn some stuff.


Had Canada come to the table and dealt more reasonably with the forever lopsided tariff issue with the US in a more realistic way other than purely grandstanding against this administration we wouldnt have the ongoing tensions between us.

As far as NATO the US funds 16% plus as opposed to Canadas 6.6%. We fund the most of any member nation yet we would need the return least of any, we’re pretty good and capable of standing tall when need be on our own.

Most importantly the NATO member agreements of 2014 require all members to invest 2% of there GDP on there own defense, making themselves less of a target of opportunity thus keeping the NATO alliance stronger, peace thru strength. Canada is one of the few countries who has not complied? Riding our coattails again?
So many good Canadians I find beyond reproach, but the hypocrites…..



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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: foxkidd44] #8539544
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Osky, the tariff argument is pure b.s. Tariffs go both ways and you guys have been getting a sweet deal on much of our resources. That deal was fine, mutually beneficial for both countries who piggy backed off each other for a long time like. Heck, it was even cited as the greatest deal ever made between our countries by the very person who signed it, Trump, the very same person who next time in power called it terrible. LOL For real, LOL, how can it be both?

Grandstanding, good gracious, or maybe expecting a deal to be a deal, I don't know??? Please lay out exactly the lopsided tariff bit and please do not regurgitate some nonsense about nonsensical dairy tariffs that have never, ever been used just because social media pushed that narrative despite over and over and over being proven as false.

Now anyways, you're right about Nato, we haven't held our end of that deal, I never claimed we did, so yes, we rode your coattails there, and the coattails of anyone else holding their end of the bargain. You seem to be under the impression that I am unable to criticize Canada, we dropped the ball on NATO funding and military spending for sure. That however, doesn't make the USA's 16% doing more than everyone else combined you know. So not really sure what a hypocrite has to do with the fact that you are trying to stick up for someone who is so ignorant of world affairs that they think the USA needs nothing from anybody. Happy Trapping, my dad's side of the family left northern Minnesota, long ago, I've got a bunch of long lost relations there, maybe you are one of them. lol

Anyways, back to Greenland, could be smokescreen for the Epstein Files I guess.

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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: foxkidd44] #8539563
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Greenland would make a nice addition to the United States. Are there mink in Greenland to trap? Artic foxes are there.


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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: KeithC] #8539571
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by spjones
Crazy idea,,,,

Let the people of Greenland decide


There's been talk of making them all rich if they join the US. It would be a mostly win for both countries.

Keith

We saved enough DOGE money to pay them off.

Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8539580
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
Greenland would make a nice addition to the United States. Are there mink in Greenland to trap? Artic foxes are there.

There are seals.

Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: foxkidd44] #8539581
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Good Lord! Are some of you hammered 24/7 or just thick as molasses in January?
Some of the comments.....good grief.


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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: foxkidd44] #8539591
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Careful Shakey, the more you read the dumber you'll get.


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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: beaverpeeler] #8539607
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Careful Shakey, the more you read the dumber you'll get.


I just look at as entertainment BP! Makes it less disheartening. Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: ScottW] #8539643
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Originally Posted by ScottW
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Careful Shakey, the more you read the dumber you'll get.


I just look at as entertainment BP! Makes it less disheartening. Happy trapping! ScottW

Exactly. It’s just never ending……lol
Tight chains fellas!


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Re: The whole Greenland thing [Re: foxkidd44] #8539663
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