Looks like she is from Colorado, just there looking for trouble. She found it. I hope the officer is alright.

wws

When you refuse police orders!! attend riots you get what you deserve.

What's your wager?

From what I read he went to the hospital was looked at and checked out. The cynic in me wonders if he was sent to the hospital by his superiors to make the shooting appear more justified than it might have really been.

You can't possibly think it was okay for the woman to hit a Federal officer with her car, can you?

Even if her intention wasn't to kill him and the other nearby officers, or do them serious bodily harm, how was he supposed to know? She undeniably hit him with a deadly weapon, that is frequently used to kill and cause severe bodily harm. Her action is not legally significantly different than threatening a Federal Agent with a gun and then shooting them. Her shooting was legally justified.

Keith

Lots of chaos.

Good Lord.

I think we actually have a male problem, too many males acting like females. I’m not talking about the whole gay thing. Just how masculinity has been demonized. A lot of men are afraid of what it might look like if they behave masculine.

did the cynic in you question whether the cop who shot Ashli Babbitt was justified in doing so?

I thought this was going to be about the guy putting bait out on the frozen lake!

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

The armchair experts, in hindsight, expect that the officer just a few feet in front of the car lurching forward should have focused his line of sight on the direction the front wheels may have been turning and calculated that he would only be grazed by the front fender rather than run over by the vehicle. Perhaps they should all be police officers.

Jonathan Turley (law professor) cited Tennessee vs. Garner, saying that this appears to meet that precedent.

By the standards in this whole post. Ashli Babbitt was just a domestic terrorist playing stupid games. Won stupid prize.

More apples and oranges depending on which team you cheer for.

Mac

I finally agree with you on something.

but take note of Jonathan Turley's remarks...he's no right wing cheerleader.

Pretty sure I would not have been in either position. Was busy working for money and paying taxes.

it's a tactic LEO uses , surround the car so that if they make a move and fail to comply to stop and get out of the vehicle and make a move to evade you endanger the officer thus the threshold of deadly force gets reached.

they do this because they need to be in danger of bodily harm to use deadly force as decided by courts

once LE have told you to stop and get out of the car you are being detained and a detainee using a 2-3 ton weapon to resist and evade arrest is it's own level of force.

it's a difficult situation all around.
if everyone is free to flee when being detained , the LE could never get an arrest made.
the woman likely didn't understand the rules of being detained , which is unfortunate that they were not taught.

it is better to be proven innocent in court and be alive than to try and prove your point with LE and be dead , if you are not ready to die , surrender and live to another day , doesn't matter if you are innocent if you are dead.



that should be the lesson taught to people , when you cross a threshold from protest to resisting arrest with force and a deadly weapon , you cross a line even if you don't think you crossed the line , you leave that to a court to decide.


teach your kids that when the LE guns come out , you can fight likely resulting in your death or surrender and face trial , so if you are not ready to die , take the trial.

IF she was a paid protestor, as some reports indicate, is this a workplace fatality?
What kind of training are they provided?

I look forward to juries sorting it out.

juries don't always get it right, either.

but that's the Just Us system we have to live with...