"Assault with a deadly weapon" invites/demands retaliation with a deadly weapon.

Well after everything i been reading , and watched the clip of the i witness story , yea she was a trained terrorist.

Like floyd, j6, laptop?

Now don't go spewing the truth and other nonsense digger.

You will hurt the feelings of TDS liberals on here.

Life is precious , He cared about His more than she cared about Her's. end of story.

The assimilation is not yet complete

When you were a kid and didn't do what Dad told you to do, you got spanked. Was that Dad's fault or your own?

I spent 25 years in LE, 20 years with the State Police, then 5 years with a Sheriffs Office after I retired. I spent 7 years in the Army and am a veteran of Desert Shield/Desert Storm. I spent my first 4 years with KSP as a road trooper, then the remainder was in narcotics. When I retired, I ran a 10 man narcotics squad, which was all undercover work. I only say this because I feel I have some "skin in the game" based on my experience.
What I also think is important, is I have groups of friends that are NOT law enforcement, retired law enforcement, ex-military, etc... Yes, I obviously have friends that meet that criteria, but my circle is large and also diverse. Meaning, I try to step back and think from outside my "LE mind" if that makes any sense. Having said that, this is just my opinion.

1. Facts WILL change, witness accounts WILL change, statements WILL change, etc... This was also very apparent in the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri if you all remember that. Take time to read the DOJ report on it, its very eye opening.

2. The video WILL not change. There may be more "angles" and additional footage from body worn cameras, cell phone video, homeowner security cameras, etc, which in this case I hope it does.

3. The very first video I saw, which was the one from behind the vehicle, made me cringe a little. When I saw another angle, which clearly showed the left front portion of her vehicle making contact with the ICE agent, it changed my perspective.

4. We all have the benefit of watching this "after the fact" and there are certainly going to be differences of opinion of what the ICE agent shouldn't have done, or did do. What is important to remember, and what a legal precedent is, "What were the circumstances as the agent "perceived" them to be at that particular time? Is it "reasonable" to believe he may have feared for his life, the life of others, or sustaining "serious physical/bodily injury? Again, lots of debate on this. Taking in the totality of the circumstances, I would say yes. I've seen some comments about how fast the vehicle was moving, he could have stepped out of the way, etc, and that will be taken into account, BUT so will the slippery conditions of the road, which is something to think about. That agent had "milliseconds" NOT seconds to think/process/react. I've been there, I know how it works.

5. Without question, if she simply would have done as instructed, she would be here today. In my experience, bad things happen when people "choose" to ignore lawful commands. When I walked up to a vehicle on a traffic stop, first thing I'm looking for is "hands" , as THIS is most likely what's going to hurt me. If I couldn't see your hands, I would politely ask to please put your hands where I can see them, AND most people would comply. If that was ignored, I would ask again, but the inflection/urgency in my voice would be different. If I had to ask a 3rd time, you would most likely be looking at the end of my gun barrel. It did not mean you were getting shot, but it certainly could have escalated to that.

6. When did it become "OK" to interfere with law enforcement during the course of their duties? Look, I understand that we in LE have brought a host of problems upon ourselves. Bad hiring, bad training, bad judgement, "god complex" etc., I get all that. But, good gosh, is there not a better/smarter way to go about things? Have your day in court.

7. I have these conversations with my circle of friends quite often. I did not wake up every day and do the job so I could harass people, violate their rights, impose my will on them, etc. And, I certainly hoped I would never have to take a human life, which thankfully, I did not. I had situations where I could have, and been justified to do so, but its too much to get into, and quite frankly, most will not understand. On the flip side of this, I would do whatever I had to do to get back to my family every day. In simple terms, if I told you that you were under arrest, you were going to jail. Now, you could comply and go along, or you can "choose" to not comply, passively or agressively, but there were consequences for those choices. The last thing I ever wanted to do was hurt someone, although I was prepared to if the circumstances dictated that. Meaning, if you decide to "fight" me, I'm doing what I have to to get you under control. That may be empty hands, OC spray, expandable baton, flashlight, etc... We did not have TASERS back in those days, so that was not an option.
The point is, I treated people like I wanted to be treated. And, 99% of the time things went OK.

8. As the days and weeks go by, more facts will be shed on this situation. And, more opinions. I will say this, in today's day and age, I wouldn't want to be in that agents shoes.....

The ice on the road made this a dangerous scenario pointing a vehicle at an officer!

Hard to to realize they have folks so worked up they are willing to get themselves killed over people they don't know and more than likely don't give a crap aboit them.

We’re the same conditions met for the shooting of Ashley Babbit? That person was hailed a hero for shooting an unarmed woman through a barrier.

Just saying.

The Ashley Babbit shooting falls into a completely different category.

Sure is. There's no dispute when you watch that video that she and her fellow rioters got her killed.

Ashley Babbitt was unarmed. The idiot was driving a motor vehicle with ICE officers on foot.

And that idiot driving at an ICE officer didn't do anything contribute to her demise?

Seriously? Good grief how dumb can a person get!!

You seriously need help. Your severe TDS is hampering your ability to think and see clearly and objectively.

HOLY CRAP how dumb!!

Please elaborate your thoughts. What made one a good shoot and the other bad. Or were they both good or both bad?

Do you believe there were also FBI personnel that were part of the active hindrance of the ICE officers?

You can PM me if you don’t want to discuss on an open forum. I hate that we even have to be having conversations like this.

Agree 100%, but maybe not the way you are thinking.

Very thoughtful and insightful post KSP. I encourage everyone to read it over and over. I wish everyone would allow the thorough investigation to be completed. I also do not understand why people think it is OK to be violent or to impede law enforcement.

Watch the video from one of the ICE agents perspective. I think you'll change your mind.

New video just shown on Fox News from the cop’s phone who did the shooting. Sured sounded like he was impacted by the car. What was interesting to me, the “wife” of the woman who was killed was attempting to get in passenger side door when car commenced to move. The wife was left standing in the street. Wonder the so called “husband” didnt drag the wife hanging on to the door handle.

Kind of blows a hole in the theory the deceased lady was just normally driving off. She left her bed mate!

Did you notice the poor dog in the back? I need to know if he/she is okay.