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Federal Reserve #8543169
01/12/26 06:24 PM
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This is carry over from the Iran thread. It's a totally different topic so should really have its own thread.

On the Iran thread, Spjones posted a video clip of the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island.



I don't want to further derail the Iran thread... plus the Iran thread is political and may get deleted while this is more economical than political and may not....

My question... for those that wish to abolish the Fed...

If the Fed were to be abolished, what would prevent the runaway inflation that would surely result from excessive fiscal spending?


The devil's greatest trick isn't making us think he doesn't exist. It's flattering us. So we don't see..... the devil is us.
Re: Federal Reserve [Re: yotetrapper30] #8543176
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The FED doesn't need to be abolished it just needs to be run in a responsible fiscal manner, and not run with an agenda guiding the rate decisions. A good FED knows when it is needed to stimulate the economy and not to hold it back as is the case currently.

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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
The FED doesn't need to be abolished it just needs to be run in a responsible fiscal manner, and not run with an agenda guiding the rate decisions. A good FED knows when it is needed to stimulate the economy and not to hold it back as is the case currently.


Bob... you think the economy is in current need of stimulation?


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Re: Federal Reserve [Re: yotetrapper30] #8543185
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I do believe that it will certainly start the ball rolling faster, particularly in home ownership and business opportunities that are holding back and hindering that market and that is a very prominent and vital part of this economy.

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What prevented runaway inflation before the federal reserve was created in 1913? From 1775 to 1913 prices only increased about 20%. Since 1913, the dollar has lost 97% of its purchasing power.

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Ya I got it way off topic. lol

Thomas Sowell said it best about ending the fed

“ when you remove cancer,,,,, you don’t replace it with anything,,,,”

Inflation is caused mainly from increasing money supply

Sound money stops this,,,

If they ran out of money,,, they couldn’t spend more,,, for very long,,



Just like you, and me

We could borrow,,, but it would become more expensive to borrow,,, until we couldn’t borrow any more


Without the Fed, money supply couldn't be expanded at will through fiat issuance,,, fractional reserve banking,,,, or

low-interest credit creation,,,,which distort markets and fuels inflation

Wanted to add:

The fed is bad!!

Trumpster wants to control the fed,,, which is even more bad!!!

Prepare yourselves!!!!

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Re: Federal Reserve [Re: loosegoose] #8543195
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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
I do believe that it will certainly start the ball rolling faster, particularly in home ownership and business opportunities that are holding back and hindering that market and that is a very prominent and vital part of this economy.


If anything, I believe the Fed has been cutting too quickly. The stock market is continuously breaking records, most companies have sky high valuations, inflation is well above the goal of 2%, and the GDP growth was above expectations. The market is in no way stagnating, imo. It's pretty much on fire. I thought it would take a hit today... between the threat of criminal charges against Powell, the threat of capping the interest rate banks can charge for credit cards at 10%, and the unrest in Iran... but even all of that the market just shrugged off to forge ahead. I don't believe it needs any stimulating.



Originally Posted by loosegoose
What prevented runaway inflation before the federal reserve was created in 1913? From 1775 to 1913 prices only increased about 20%. Since 1913, the dollar has lost 97% of its purchasing power.


Did the federal government spend then at the rate it spends now?


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Re: Federal Reserve [Re: spjones] #8543202
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Originally Posted by spjones
Ya I got it way off topic. lol

Thomas Sowell said it best about ending the fed

“ when you remove cancer,,,,, you don’t replace it with anything,,,,”

Inflation is caused mainly from increasing money supply

Sound money stops this,,,

If they ran out of money,,, they couldn’t spend more,,, for very long,,



Just like you, and me

We could borrow,,, but it would become more expensive to borrow,,, until we couldn’t borrow any more


Without the Fed, money supply couldn't be expanded at will through fiat issuance,,, fractional reserve banking,,,, or

low-interest credit creation,,,,which distort markets and fuels inflation

Wanted to add:

The fed is bad!!

Trumpster wants to control the fed,,, which is even more bad!!!

Prepare yourselves!!!!


You make some good points but I believe it's a stretch to say that money supply couldn't be expanded through fiat issuance. It historically has been. Also, why would you think the money supply couldn't be expanded via fractional reserve banking without a central bank?


The devil's greatest trick isn't making us think he doesn't exist. It's flattering us. So we don't see..... the devil is us.
Re: Federal Reserve [Re: yotetrapper30] #8543206
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Fractional reserve banking should be illegal

Money supply being expanded is the problem,,,

Sound money(fixed supply) solves this problem

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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30




Originally Posted by loosegoose
What prevented runaway inflation before the federal reserve was created in 1913? From 1775 to 1913 prices only increased about 20%. Since 1913, the dollar has lost 97% of its purchasing power.


Did the federal government spend then at the rate it spends now?

Is federal spending enabled by the Fed is a valid question in response.

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GOLD

That is exactly what will prevent inflation. Do away with fiat paper and return to gold. Paper is an infinite resoure while gold is finite.


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Originally Posted by warrior
GOLD

That is exactly what will prevent inflation. Do away with fiat paper and return to gold. Paper is an infinite resoure while gold is finite.

Who gets to decide what Gold is worth?

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The parties exchanging to gold decide what it’s worth

Gold really only works at a local level as a medium of exchange

It’s heavy,,, hard to store,,hard to transport,,,hard to verify

That’s why the created paper money

Locally, for small transactions it works fine

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The open market decides.

Yes, carrying a pouch full of gold coins is kind of medieval so we had both coins and paper gold certificates at one time. Govt currency solidly linked to an equivalent amount of gold.


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Originally Posted by spjones
The parties exchanging to gold decide what it’s worth

Gold really only works at a local level as a medium of exchange

It’s heavy,,, hard to store,,hard to transport,,,hard to verify

That’s why the created paper money

Locally, for small transactions it works fine


Paper money was fine as long as its was tied to the gold standard. At least to me. I could be missing something but going off the gold standard was a huge mistake.

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With a gold backed currency the govt holds the gold, they can value it at whatever they want and previously that has been a problem

Re: Federal Reserve [Re: yotetrapper30] #8543234
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30


Did the federal government spend then at the rate it spends now?

Is federal spending enabled by the Fed is a valid question in response.


I think if you asked Trump that question today you'd get a resounding NO, LOL.

But it's a good point.......


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As we race down the inevitable digital road,,,

A digital currency,,, with a fixed supply,,,decentralized(NO government control),,,,totally transparent,,,,verified every 5 mins,,,, easily transported

Sure would be nice

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Economy vs Stock Market are two different things. One doesn't have follow the other in the world of finance.

The economy and the stock market are distinct yet interrelated concepts:
The economy encompasses the overall production and consumption of goods and services within a country, reflecting how money is made and spent by citizens, companies, and governments.

The stock market is a platform where investors buy and sell shares of publicly traded companies, representing a smaller segment of the economy.

While the stock market can indicate investor sentiment and expectations about future economic performance, it does not always accurately reflect the broader economic health.

Economic growth is typically measured by metrics like gross domestic product (GDP), while stock market performance is measured by indices like the S&P 500.

In summary, the stock market is just one aspect of the economy, and fluctuations in stock prices do not necessarily correlate with the overall economic conditions.

Our country needs the Feds involved with our Economy Health and future.


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Originally Posted by snowy
Economy vs Stock Market are two different things. One doesn't have follow the other in the world of finance.

The economy and the stock market are distinct yet interrelated concepts:
The economy encompasses the overall production and consumption of goods and services within a country, reflecting how money is made and spent by citizens, companies, and governments.

The stock market is a platform where investors buy and sell shares of publicly traded companies, representing a smaller segment of the economy.

While the stock market can indicate investor sentiment and expectations about future economic performance, it does not always accurately reflect the broader economic health.

Economic growth is typically measured by metrics like gross domestic product (GDP), while stock market performance is measured by indices like the S&P 500.

In summary, the stock market is just one aspect of the economy, and fluctuations in stock prices do not necessarily correlate with the overall economic conditions.

Our country needs the Feds involved with our Economy Health and future.


I'm not sure if your post is just a general commentary or directed at me, since I am the only one that directly mentioned the market. But, in that post I also pointed out that GDP growth was hotter than expected, and inflation remains above the 2% goal of the Fed, which are both indicators of economic health not directly related to the market.


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