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Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8547561
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If civilization collapses I don't figure on being a survivor. A few weeks of groceries on hand makes sense to me. Being shut down short term is much more likely. Depression is certainly a possibility. Collapse of the dollar. Natural disaster like an eruption in yellowstone. All not likely but it doesn't hurt anything to have a few things handy. Canning jars and lids for example. If lights go out for an extended period of time will be good to can meat in your freezer for example. The starving months for hunter/gathers was always February and March. If your natural gas or propane gets scarce an alternative is a good thing to think about. Firewood is a lot of work without gas for a chainsaw. Debt is likely to be the biggest problem if you owe money on your home. During the depression debt put a LOT of families in a real bad way.

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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8547620
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I know a couple of "serious" prepper types.. They don't talk about Jack and are I'd guess quite well off to boot. We had several business dealings and that's how I got to meet them and understand what they were doing. I lurk on some of those forums FB groups as well.. Mostly crazy people who want to talk and sound good. Have no interest in being a prepper, but if having a pantry and a few guns qualifies you, I'd guess most of us rural types would fit in..

Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8547640
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Guns are going to be needed to protect your survival from the city hoards . They have no practical knowledge to survive so they will try and take from the ones who do.


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Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8547646
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Preppers are fringe fanatical. Although I have been labeled as one locally…on account of greenhouse, barrel stoves in every one and every building, root cellar, flowing well, some arms and ammo, traps snares, multiple gardens an fruit trees ,all tooled up in multiple trades the most important of which are woodworking and masonry. The list goes on, but to an older generation all of these things are normal and the result of just getting to be as old as I am in a rural setting.


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8547648
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Life in the city will be dangerous. National guard will be dispatched. Food distribution will be set up. Likely take a couple three weeks to get organized. Hurricane Katrina is a good example. Organized gangs of foragers heading out of the city is unlikely. Small groups preying on anyone they percieve as weak in urban areas is a certainty while relief efforts are being organized.

IF civilization collapses completely it won't happen instantaneously.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8547677
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In a true SHTF type situation I have a hard time believing the grid won't go down as fragile as it is. If it does it's going to be bad. Bad beyond belief.

It will take a strong willed community with the where with all to do what is necessary. Even then the majority of us aren't going to make it.


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Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8547713
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
So I joined a prepper/ homesteading group on Facebook because it kept popping up and I was bored. I prep but don't really interact with the " wider community" I guess. Well I gotta say , it seem most preppers are way more concerned with guns and gear then anything else. And this is coming from me... A gun nut.. Actually made a few posts last few days just to see what would happen ( also because we have been kinda locked down due to a front coming though...can only clean so much lol ) . Ask about livestock options , few comments genetic answers , ask about medicinal herbs , nothing . Gardening... Not much at all Trapping and modern traps for SHTF ....they just decline the posts ... Making stuff you could trade ... nada

Something gun related that been hashed 20million times like , best AR15 optic or is the mosin nagnat still viable .... HOLY CRAP 300 something. Comments in an hour and half of them are at least a paragraph laugh for the sake of some of these folks if it hits the fan it better go full blown mad max or red dawn because if it just ends up being another great depression ( which I honestly think is one of the more likely deals) idk how there gonna do not being rambo fighting of the hordes of raiders every day lol.

Like dont get me wrong hard skills are important..but if that's like 90% of what you have ......

Idk mabye no one just wants to talk about the boring stuff is all laugh or maybe it's not manly enough or something because most of the good chats I had have been with the women folk about animals and plants laugh

Interesting observation, and a really good point Wolfie.

Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8548038
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One thing Danny pointed out firewood can be difficult without gas, it also takes a lot of room per btu to store this is one reason I’m looking more at coal, even now with my elbow in bad shape I’m having trouble running my saw, so even now in decent condition’s wood can be an issue so the ability to burn both is a definite asset.

Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Bob_Iowa] #8548067
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Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
One thing Danny pointed out firewood can be difficult without gas, it also takes a lot of room per btu to store this is one reason I’m looking more at coal, even now with my elbow in bad shape I’m having trouble running my saw, so even now in decent condition’s wood can be an issue so the ability to burn both is a definite asset.


I bought a sthil 261 i think last year becuse it has 4 base horse power but is 2 lbs lighter than my main 361. I figured less power but smaller bar and was easier for the boys to handle. I figured it may be good option for me having MS as well. Maybe a lighter saw would be helpful for you.

I like the weight but using them back to back i still notice the reduced power even running 4" less bar.

Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8548083
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Doc thinks my bursa sac in my right arm is infected on a different antibiotic now if not better going to do a fluid draw on Thursday, the worst is starting it but a smaller saw would start easier.

Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Bob_Iowa] #8548141
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Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
One thing Danny pointed out firewood can be difficult without gas, it also takes a lot of room per btu to store this is one reason I’m looking more at coal, even now with my elbow in bad shape I’m having trouble running my saw, so even now in decent condition’s wood can be an issue so the ability to burn both is a definite asset.

Gonna have to build you a steam power saw .

Problem with coal is unless you have a handy seam nearby that's easy to get to , or get someone else to get to if you can't.



Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Bigbrownie] #8548164
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Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
I got a prepper that buys honey from me. Buys five gallons every October for the last three years. I asked the lady what she thought of the honey….she said she hadn’t eaten any of it. Said she was saving all of it for bartering. She could use it for bear bait for all I care, but I thought that was kinda odd that she was stockpiling it.


The largest honey selling event that I've ever seen was the run up to Y2K. We sold so many gallons and 5 gallon pails of honey to folks that had never seen before that the typical surplus that we had store in 55 gallon drums all ended up being bottled. Always mentioned they were going to barter it

Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8548165
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My outdoor unit is marketed as a coal burner. I went to the mine and bought 3.6 ton on my trailer. It burned hot but I could never get it to burn by its self all night always had to mix it in with wood. Maybe it was just junk high sulfer coal in our area that was the problem. It did have what think seemed like an awful lot of clankers but I honestly dont know if it was a lot or normal. I have no other base line to compare it to.

I have thought about buying the better western coal to try it out but have not yet. One think about coal seems like you should be able to stock pile it and it stay good for ever.

Re: Preppers and guns [Re: Wolfdog91] #8548210
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The true preppers who will have half a chance of making it are somewhere up in the hills and self sufficient already.
All they need for protection is enough ammo for the few choice guns that they have to kill the few internet preppers who ran out of pop tarts that may wander in from time to time.

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