What kind of range can you get with the 10mm?

How far can you effectively shoot a striker fired pistol?

60ft, that is way closer than I want to be to a grizzly.

9 for the hoods 10 for the woods. 10mm is mighty popular in alaska packs a punch

is the target moving or stationary ?

if it is stationary about 100 yards

if it is moving closer like 20 yards

Then add in: Is the target returning fire?

Chris

Sheep dog sounds like you are the only one qualified to have an opinion. Others can't have an opinion on what cal is best if they have not been shot at.

OK. Let me run this by you.

I shared my opinion on 5.56 ability to stop a threat based on what I have seen on coyotes vs how they react with other calibers like 243 7mm-08 and 260 rem with my brother inlaw.

Now said brother inlaw has killed many people in Afghanistan he knows of and many more he is not sure of . Has been blown up 2x shot in the plates as well.

When I told him my opinion on 5.56 for people it was not favorable bases on what I have seen on 30lb dogs when compared with larger caliber. He said i was correct it usually took up to 5 hits to put the Afghans down and 308 typically did it with one but he did have one that took 3 with the 308..

Picking the best preforming rounds is a different conversation than how individuals will react under pressure in dangerous situations. You are getting the two conflate

And the round does make a difference and is why they developed the 45acp to begain with the smaller rounds were not stopping the threats. And also why they have been looking for a better preforming round than 5.56 for years. Sure you can drop deer with a.22lr every time in the right condition but thats not your all seasion all shot angle deer gun your going to be relying on.


I like the idea of .45acp. But its not legal for deer in Indiana but .40 s and w and 10 mm are.

Only deer I have shot with my .40 s&w have been deer hit by cars. It put holes in them. Handgun are all weak compared to rifles. In theory a glock 22 10 mm with 15 rounds in a chest rig with higher round.count and thin profile seems like a good back country protection gun over large relover. But just my theory. I dont want to be relying on a handgun for mad bear defense at all. At that distance and amount of time I figure I may kill/wound the bear but would also be dead.

Ballistics is why. A hot 10mm load leaves at 1300+ fps. A hot.45 load leaves at a blistering 900 fps. Shooting the same 180 grain piece of lead, one is just longer and skinnier than the other. From a ballistics and performance standpoint, science says the 10mm is far superior. Ammo cost and availability are the only reason to even look at a .45

Most 45 I see is in the 230gr weight area not 180. Still less energy for sure but more frontal area. Also less recoil impulse easier to shoot well. Recoil reduction is why the 40 s ,& w was made after all. A lot of shooters at the fbi could not handel the 10mm well. ( i think i read mostly the ladies)
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I like my 10mm , didn't enjoy shooting a .45.
For me it's what I shoot best and the 10mm works well on hogs, and bear if I ever need it.

What caliber do bears use?

Looking at the set of grizzly claws I have ide say about .50 cal.

Reluctantly I will join in. I agree 100% with Sheepdog1. Been there and experienced events like he has (Vietnam 70 & 71, 101st ABN).
The most important factor is training, physiology and experience. I witnessed more than one person who one would least expect freeze up in fire fights. Be it hunting or personal defense motor motion and instinct are the winning factor. Become proficient with the firearm, shoot often and pray you never are placed in the position of needing to branish in defense.
Roy

I only shoot a 10mm because they don't make a 12mm!

I have a .45. Never shot a 10mm.

lol

I shot a 45ACP during my army stint in AIT. Reliability was great, but that's about all I can say about it that would make me want one.

I mean they do 480 Ruger is 12mm

45acp is 11.5

So I guess a Super Redhawk is in your future now that you know.

Turns out there is a Youtube Video where they did a reasonable test on this, turns out it doesn't matter much.

They also say since they're both larger calibers accuracy doesn't matter as much just point and shoot... or something like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgwgnqeRqeA