another media lie

another media lie

I believe ,if you have your real id on you , you are golden.

I dont believe they are arresting people for failure to provide ID.

ID checks just because a state agent feels like it, are a clear violation of the 4th amendment.

China doesn't have a 4th amendment,.or even care about anyone's rights, so that's not really applicable. But here in America, a state agent can't stop you .and check your ID to see if you have a reason to be here just because they feel like it.

If they can articulate some sort of reasonable suspicion, then that's different. (And here in America, having brown skin, flying another countries flag, or speaking a language other than English isn't reasonable suspicion).

There have been at least 170 Americans arrested for this.
Here's a link to a Q and A with Noem on the topic if you care.
Congress

Lol...lol...lol
The 4th is for people that are here legally...

I believe there are citizens DELIBERATELY giving probable cause to make the news then claiming they were profiled.

I believe you are absolutely correct. I however, choose to not allow that to be reason to discredit the countless cases that seem to be legit and the lawsuits that are ensuing.

How do you know they're here legally........without checking ID? Can you explain how a state agent would know....."we can't check that guy's ID, he's here legally, but we can check this guy, he's illegal"?

How do you know who the 4th amendment does and doesn't apply to, without checking ID?

we are not talking about china we are talking about the USA and im sure most of us dont carry your passport or birth certificate around doing everyday things just to prove where you are born im pretty sure if ICE stopped anyone of you on the street or outside your house and asked for id to prove where you are from you would be (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)

They say ICE is too rough on these arrests they make. I watch a lot of shows such as Ozark Law, Alaskan State Troopers, Lone Star Law, etc. These police officers are just as rough on those they arrest many times. Last night on Ozark Law, 3 officers threw a guy to the ground because he threw a punch at a guy, not an officer, a person who made a pass at his girlfriend. He was thrown face first into the gravel by 3 police and handcuffed. When he got up he was bleeding from the nose and other facial cuts. I'm not chastising the officers, they were just doing their job. Often times you have to show you mean business. I see this happen quite often on these shows with some of these unruly characters.

This guy the ICE shot was a shame, but he was certainly not a peaceful protestor as the media portrays him. He spit on the ICE people and kicked the tail lite out of one of their vehicles. He should have been given a rough treatment, arrested and taken to jail, but not shot, IMO.

Lc...your 1 of them...no help for you...
bless your heart, done gone...

Biometric identification. Each time an illegal is captured and deported, their biometric information is recorded.

Keep arguing in favor of those who are exploiting our rights, laws, and rules. They rely on people like you. Eventually, when they own you, you'll realize how ignorant you were.

ol' dad

So you can't answer the question?

I'm arguing in favor of the constitution (specifically the 4th amendment here).

The constitution matters more than any perceived inconvenience it may cause when finding any removing people here illegally.

Speaking of people relying on me.....people who don't care about the constitution rely on people like you who are willing to give up your rights when it suits you, because eventually they'll come for you too when you don't want it.

whether your in the states legally or illegally the constitution protects you and thats why most illegals left there home country because of poor human rights and standard of living

The 4th Amendment was written based on the assumption that under federal immigration statutes (the Immigration and Nationality Act) that the federal government would in good faith maintain control over who enters and stays in the country legally. Call this Rule 1. Had .gov not allowed that to happen, law enforcement wouldn't need to routinely demand proof of status from everyone fitting the ethnic description because the risk of encountering undocumented individuals would be low, thus, avoiding mass suspicion and civil rights abuses. So in the context of this illegal immigration problem, the 4th Amendment (Rule 2) cannot work correctly because the system is no longer operating under the assumed conditions of Rule 1.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that our laws and rights are being exploited. Are you ignorant, or just upset you can't figure out how to get ahead in life and need something to blame it on?

ol' dad

The United States can not take in every poor devil unlucky enough to be born in a third world. There must be immigration law and limits on immigration. Those laws have to be enforced to be effective.

I have heard a multitude of reasons why so many want an open border. I believe there are a lot of different reasons. That does not change the truth I posted first.

There are literally thousands of people enforcing immigration law. Likely there are a few instances of of pushing the I.D. check thing to far. Those thousands of officers are checking who know many thousands of people daily.