Ordered some seeds from Hoss the other day and saw this.

https://growhoss.com/products/veget...ce2&_ss=c&variant=45579369840950

Last year was a difficult year to keep up with weeds due to it being too wet to weed. I saw this and thought I would give it a try. Anybody else use pre emergent control?

And to be more clear, I have a garden in the south. You northern guys are lucky. Weed, pest and fungal control in a southern garden is WAR!!

I wouldn't use it. I would have a smaller garden and grow organic produce.

Tried organic. Not an option for me. If I didn't have a job, maybe.

Again, it is war in my area.

I also market garden so smaller is not an option.

For a couple of seasons I put down Preen after weeding. It seemed like I used plenty, but I wasn't that impressed. Maybe I was expecting too much

JMHO There's no such thing as organic in an outside garden.
Maybe in a sealed greenhouse, with sterile soil.
But weeds and bugs will be too hard to keep at bay.
Row covers help, but just one bug find a way in, it's over.
I like the floating row covers, but you need to understand the thickness of each one.
Too thick during the rainy season, and the soil never dries out.
Too thin in spring and fall , doesn't help with a freak freezing frost.
It's just too time consuming, and your crop is done too quick, either by insects, or the spray used to get rid of the bugs.
You can charge more, but you'll never get rich.
Just from my trying everything I read about, no federalizer , no herbicides, no insecticides .
A small garden , yes it can work, but a big one, isn't cost effective , in my opinion.
If you know how to do it, I'd love to hear your ideas.

There are better pre emergents out there.

Ive tried weed barrier but crabgass still grows through. Im trying Preen this year in the rows of plants after they come up..

The local big market growers near me are using biodegradable weed barrier cloth made out of soybean oil. Wishwell Farms, who sells in 5 farmers markets and from 2 mobile produce wagons, has a great YouTube channel on growing for markets. He has videos on the biodegradable weed barrier. For him it's been a game changer. He lives near me. His channel is:

https://m.youtube.com/@wishwellfarms

Keith

Dual can be used on pumpkin, squash, some varieties aren’t very tolerant so don’t double up, sweet corn dual can be used very well also most conventional field corn herbicides can be used on it, no matter what read the label, the label is the law.

Read up on it and see it’s treflan unless they did something different you’ll be yellow till the day you die if you get it on you.

I watched his channel pretty interesting just getting his 1st batch of tomatoes started in the greenhouse.

We used bags of treflan during my landscaping years - it will leave a bit of yellow but also easy to see ground coverage. Much cheaper to buy bags over a bottle of preen......

No comment on the pre-emergent as it's not in my wheel house. This comment is however. I market garden right at an acre of ground using Sustainable and Organic(ish) practices. "Organic" doesn't mean fertilizer and pesticide free. It means using things naturally produced to keep bugs at bay. I've fought many wars until I learned the right tools to use for what. Spinosad and BT are go to's for control measure. Fire and bug netting are also super helpful. When we harvest greens, we blow torch the bed immediately following our last cut. This kills a ton of pests. Using beneficial nematodes we've seen a decrease in certain bug species over time. Stink bugs still get their share, but we've been able to mitigate and minimize a lot of other issues over time. We use scuffle hoes on a 10 day rotation for weed control. It is a LARGE part of what we do. We also use fresh compost additions on a regular cycle.
Our fertilizers are Bone meal, Blood meal, Feather Meal, Sun Flower ash. Each year our soil gets better and we need less and less nitrogren. We are mainly at replacement levels for P and K at this point. Many say this isn't practical on a large scale, to an extent you're right. But the point is to be more productive on a smaller acerage and grow whats in season. It takes 3 people to tend to a full acre of market garden. This is where managable human scale and industrialization collide. You don't need to be "Bigger" you need to do better on smaller.