Well since the gov is in the ranching business they can just declare "open range" laws and if a driver hits one they will be responsible for their vehicle and animal. They are already responsible for their vehicle. Insurance is a good thing if they drop the "act of God" thing. Reckon insurance gets cheaper the more you use it ?

Looks like a good build a trap project. Think large quail call back type they can get in bit not out easily. Some bird seed and large enough to hold 25 or 30.

Relocate or remove with your preferred method. Maybe to the head of state's game commission yard.


Kind of similar with geese . Anyone have a lake that get so many geese you cant let the dog out and kisses cat go to the lake becuse of all the goose poo.
Run them off and thy are back the next day. Cousin used to have this issue and his water also came from the lake. The reason caused some issue with the water as well . Maybe stored it up and the silt was plugging filters but im not sure what the water issue was.

It appease people who don't hunt or farm ,It provides a cash cow in the form of permit applications, it provides a venue for restricting access to public lands It opens the door for federal and private wildlife monies It provides a food source for wolves and cougars

Misguided liberal ideology which is embraced by the many stupid people in the world

elk seem too take awhile to repopulate here in ontario we have two huntable areas but even than success rates are low and its taken like 30 years to get them where they are

Swamp,

Here's the obvious question with the elk CWD correlation.

Didn't the biologists quarantine the elk and test for CWD before introducing or isn't there a mechanism for testing live animals?

I still think that in the 1950's and 60's was when hunting clubs leased farms to hunt.
Quail and pheasant were a favorite hunt for everyone.
We could hunt both in a day on our farm and neighboring farms.
Got to where too many hunted across lines and soon the wild population couldn't provide enough birds to hunt.
So game clubs raised pheasants for release to hunt.
Pen raised birds needed medication to prevent the crowded birds from many diseases that fowl get when cooped up in small areas.
So those pheasants were medicated but still carried diseases into the wild population.
Soon you couldn't find a wild bird anywhere.
They blame the blizzard of 1978 for the demise of the wild birds.
I truly believe diseased birds released for hunting killed off the wild population.
Chickens are fed feed with medication in it.
I know of many Amish that tried to raise quail, that died within weeks.
Did a search, and found that chickens get a disease the medicated feed prevents for killing them.
They still carry the disease, and quail die from that disease.
Just what I've read and researched over the years.

Could be some of that as well. I wasn't born tell 80 so have no personal experience from back them. But I do remember Geithner into more quail when rabbits hunting when there were more 10 to 50 acre fields and fenc lines in the 90 that are now clean clear fields of hundreds of acres. So I have seen the habit loss direct effect. So only spoke to that. Like a lot of things there are usually a combination of things that caus the problem not just one.

Honestly i had never thought of what you brought up and it also makes since as a contributing factor. So thank for taking the time to type it out. Definitely something that deserves more looking into.

Has to be more to the loss in bird populations than that, PF. Nothing but big farms here and has been that way for a long time, but where there is habitat there are birds. I don't know what the difference is but there is something.

Why reintroduce certain animals?

Because we forgot why we eliminated them in the first place.

Call it coincidence but in Ky and Tenn each of the counties that elk was introduced was where CWD first was detected. Zero no cases this area until elk where released. Would it have gotten here ? Maybe. As for testing and quarantine early releases weren’t as strict. Biologist were too excited about seeing an elk trotting across a field with a orange collar on them

Here in Pa, we had fishers reintroduced 20+ years ago. I catch them every year now. Otters were pretty much non existent here also, I’ve tagged one for the last four seasons. There was a PGC initiative here two years ago to consider bringing martens here. The small game and turkey hunters killed that. I would have liked to see them here…. I wouldn’t live long enough to trap them, but maybe a grandson might.

As far as CWD goes, where it came from is still a puzzle to me.
I know the first case in Ohio was from a deer farm raising huge rack bucks.
They had a deer shipped in from ( can't swear by it for sure anymore )Pennsylvania.
Holmes county 10 or so years ago.
The state killed the whole herd .
We still have it.
Any way it sure wasn't brought here by elk.

Reintroduction of elk in PA had nothing to do with CWD showing up here. Our elk were reintroduced over 100 years ago. Our first cases of CWD were well over 100 miles from the elk herd.

The first hunt for PA elk was around 20 years ago. The first few years the elk just moved into the no hunt zone around the town of Bennezette. They slowly reduced the size of the no hunt zone to now it's basically just the town. The elk have pushed out into the more wild areas of the state. We are seeing elk where they haven't been seen in 100+ years.


The first fisher were introduced into my are of the state. I forgot all about them, and didn't really know much about them. I caught my first one the second year after reintroduction. To say I wasn't prepared to release those fur balls full of nastiness and teeth would be an understatement. I'm glad it wasn't on video. I squealed like a little girl and may have pee'd a little when it latched on to my boot. I was telling the local warden about it. HE laughed so hard and told me if I caught another to call him and he would come help me. He tranq'ed the next one to get some measurements and samples from it. To watch a 6'3" man jump and yell when the little bugger growled and twitched as he was taking samples was hysterical.

No......not all of them.....to my knowledge.

Many whitetails brought in and released in high fence operations were CWD positive....everyone knows the connection there, but don't think for a minute that all re-introduced elk released into the wilds have been 100% CWD-free.

Im not ashamed to admit my 2nd outter was in a coon set in the ditch behind the house set for coon that had been killing my chicken. When I went to let it go,.( out of trapping seasion and protected in the stste at the time) I had a heck of a time. I had a 4' x3' 3/4" piec of ply wood. To separate the teath from the foot. That head came under that board and turnd the border into saw dust like nothing. I was very nervous. I got snout presur off the trap and she gott her foot free and took off. Was a nursing female.

Otter have a long neck and short legs and very fast and feisty. We won't Eleven get into my first bobcat I had to let go.

I cant imagine how fun releasing a fisher or badger would be.


Maybe im just a wimp.

Elk were reintroduced back into western North Carolina. Bad idea IMHO. Where the elk go the tourist are sure to follow. The head biologist told me there will never be an elk season in NC. He disagreed with the release, but stated the state pays him to manage them so he will. Now, the Cherokee Indians have a lottery draw for Indians and hunt them as of recently. But that is not the state. Dairy farmers have gotten permits to shoot them when they damage crops, fences, etc. But they have to bury them. Also, they are really not that wild.