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Speaking of Fur Auctions………. #8580943
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State association fur auctions are certainly a positive thing for the organization and its members. Not many active state associations don’t put on fur auctions. I was wondering why two states with very active associations and a heckuva lot of trappers and fur harvested on don’t put on a fur auction? Namely Minnesota and Wisconsin? I’d think both could have a heck of a turnout up yonder. High quality fur and a lot of it would draw a lot of buyers I’d think.

Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: claycreech] #8580949
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I don't know for sure but since we are a nonprofit origination we can't make money off our members. At one time we had a fur auction, and it was shut down because of our nonprofit status.

But District 10 of the WTA is now looking into how we can get this done.


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Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: claycreech] #8581021
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Don't know what restrictions to non profits are, but I would think a auction could be had with a percentage to the organization, with expenses deducted, then remaining profit distributed to members, perhaps in a membership fee deduction...so you wouldn't have a profit, but you wouldn't lose the cost of the auction....just a guess.

Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: claycreech] #8581033
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Missouri now has sponsors for our fur auction who pay the entire cost plus some and members sell for free. We did not start doing this because of some restrictions on nonprofit organizations, but to be a way to serve our members without it costing them anything.

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Wondering how so many other states get around that, or are these individual state regulations.

Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: claycreech] #8581115
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Those States have active furbuyers available.


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Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: Dirt] #8581208
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Those States have active furbuyers available.


And several out of state buyers would show up.

Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: claycreech] #8581244
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A non-profit organization doesn't mean you can't hold money for a cause. The money can be stored in a bank and used many way. Like promoting trapping, scholarships, helping any cause out there.

A non-profit has to get an EIN (Employer Identification Number) from the IRS. You expenses can come out of the money you get from activities to help run the Organization.

Once the group got started it could be a very influential and helpful group you could have.


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Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: claycreech] #8581287
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Wondering how so many other states get around that, or are these individual state regulations

Cause they are not yankee's!

I looked into this over 20 years ago here for our assocation and discovered out of state fur buyer license were sky high thus prohibitive to potential buyer's. Some of that might be playing into things elsewhere, who knows. MAIN problem id see is VOLUNTEERS! All these sales and convention's don't run theirself! Stuff doesn't just 'happen' on it's on. Usually got 2 or 3 people running everything and they just don't have the time nor energy to add something else to the list.


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Originally Posted by Jtrapper
Wondering how so many other states get around that, or are these individual state regulations

Cause they are not yankee's!

I looked into this over 20 years ago here for our assocation and discovered out of state fur buyer license were sky high thus prohibitive to potential buyer's. Some of that might be playing into things elsewhere, who knows. MAIN problem id see is VOLUNTEERS! All these sales and convention's don't run theirself! Stuff doesn't just 'happen' on it's on. Usually got 2 or 3 people running everything and they just don't have the time nor energy to add something else to the list.


I agree that a handful of members do 90 percent of the work, however associations as large and active as Wisconsin and Minnesota are way bigger and more active than most.

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We're working on it. We just have to get around this nonprofit thing.
I reached out to Groenewold but haven't had any response.


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Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: The Beav] #8581823
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Originally Posted by The Beav
We're working on it. We just have to get around this nonprofit thing.
I reached out to Groenewold but haven't had any response.


Groenewold contacted me one year about good locations to buy fur here. I mentioned our trapping association held a fur auction and they replied they didn't do auctions,for what it's worth.

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Originally Posted by jhh
Originally Posted by The Beav
We're working on it. We just have to get around this nonprofit thing.
I reached out to Groenewold but haven't had any response.


Groenewold contacted me one year about good locations to buy fur here. I mentioned our trapping association held a fur auction and they replied they didn't do auctions,for what it's worth.


"Those States have active furbuyers available."

Furbuyer would rather buy at the truck than bid at an auction. Trapper may prefer this too instead of the waiting and the uncertainty of an auction.

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Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: claycreech] #8581846
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I know a cat buyer that has been actively buying cats on the western sales for Groenewold.


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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I know a cat buyer that has been actively buying cats on the western sales for Groenewold.

Cats are one thing, but they aren't going to an association sale and buying coons and such.

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We won't be doing a auction. It would be just like buying from the truck, but they would be buying out of a building.


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Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: trapdog1] #8581931
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I know a cat buyer that has been actively buying cats on the western sales for Groenewold.

Cats are one thing, but they aren't going to an association sale and buying coons and such.

He is also buying marten but I'm not sure he is bidding on anything else. Probably just going to the auctions and bidding on high grade, high value fur, that is produced in limited quantities. Because they can't get the volume they need buying out of a truck or their house.

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Or perhaps they don’t have high value cats and marten in Illinois and the upper Midwest. Gotta go where the goods are. smile

Yes,I know Minnesota and Michigan have marten. But their cats leave something to be desired. LOL


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Re: Speaking of Fur Auctions………. [Re: claycreech] #8581946
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The buyer for Groenewold told me that he (Groeny) is offering some package deals to his Chinese contacts with cats. They get some of the high end stuff but they also have to take some of the lower grade goods.


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