Would you vote for this guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/arkansas-man-awaiting-murder-trial-190940412.html

Killed a man that allegedly raped his daughter, got out of jail on bond and kidnapped her? If on the jury and those statements were truth I would vote not guilty. Don't know enough to decide whether to vote for him as sheriff.

I'd need more information....but probably yes

Probably not. Sounds like he doesn't want to wait for the justice system, which the Sheriff's Dept is a part of, to do its final work.

We just had the ex-cop and ex-mayor of a small town convicted of a triple murder. Two of the young guys he killed were nephews of a friend of mine. I think what really sunk his boat was when his shotgun ran out of ammo and/or got wrestled away from him, he went back and got an AR to finish off the third guy.

What the news article doesn't say but is the supposed back story was that the killer's much younger, foreign born (I think from the UK) wife was partying with the young guys and one decided to proposition her. She got po'ed, went home and told her husband. And the rest is history.

Now the wife will get this guy's house and probably most of his assets while he dies in prison. And she's free to "party" with whoever she wants.

https://www.keloland.com/news/local-news/ostrem-found-guilty-in-triple-murder-trial/

P.S. This convicted murderer killed a guy while being a cop of deputy sheriff when he was living in Wyoming but that shooting was ruled justified.

Sounds like you don't have a daughter or grandaughter

And you want to compare apples to oranges as well

Or maybe you did not comprehend that his daughter was raped, then perp let out of jail and then kidnapped her

So I would say the justice system failed the daughter and she should be well compensated by the city/county (whoever responsible for releasing a rapist) and they should be jailed

Sounds like he did what needed done.

Assuming the facts are as reported, in a heartbeat. And I would do my due diligence to ascertain to the best of my ability what the facts actually are and I give little credit to facts entered into evidence at trial as it is obvious by now that our criminal justice system is seriously compromised and no longer serves the truth.

How are we assuming he kidnapped the girl?

I read it as he caught them doing the deed in the truck, and she was there of her own free will..... which would change things a LOT imo........

I think the OP just worded it poorly, not intentionally. I read it the same way you did.

Not in mine, teenage girls are incapable of free will decisions in my experience. I should know, I raised three.

But who am I to say, I'm just a product of the patriarchy.

If daughter under the legal age of consent whether she went voluntarily or was forced the dead SOB got what he deserved

I see it as morally wrong to not to kill a 67 year old man, who raped a 13 year old girl, who is caught in the act, raping her again, when she's 14. Doing so doesn't mean he's qualified to be sheriff, but does show his heart is in the right place.

Keith

Keith , spot on .
Morally , he’s in the right.
However…sadly, morality ( or our personal interpretation of it ) can be in conflict with the law of the land.

Having been in some form of law enforcement or another, there’s been many instances where I was charged with insuring the safety of someone I’d love to deanimate. But that wasn’t the Courts decision.

He’d be an elected official of the court. Just something to think about.

When I first read about b it it sounded like she snuck out and meet him. Big difference between grooming and minor and sex with underage girl vs kid napping and forcibly rapping her. Still not right but ther is a big difference between them.

IMO, zero difference. Excusing or lessening the wrong of grooming assumes some sort of agency upon the part of the minor which under all recognized law has zero agency to enter into a contractual arrangement.

IMO, we erred in allowing "age of consent" laws and removal of parental control.

We now have a totally untenable situation where parents have zero control over consent yet can be prosecuted for the actions of their minor child. And let's not even get into the discipline issue.

Warrior we can disagree. Both are bad. Violent rape and forcibly kid napping is on a higher level than a uncontrollable kid sneaking out to meet a groomer.

Both should be eliminated but its to different levels.

My dad was involved in a program called "Man to Man" or M2 for short during some of his retirement years. My dad was blind so when he was up behind the walls on these M2 visits, he was totally reliant on the corrections staff and trusty inmates getting him around the maize.

Anyway, I met a couple of his M2 guys when they got out of the slammer. The one I remember the most came out to have supper with us and was basically a simpleton. I was in later high school or maybe even at home that summer working between my first couple years of college. I showed this guy's my parents (mostly my dad's) big vegetable garden and watched this guy eat the leaves off of a broccoli plant, I don't think he knew what it was. I asked this guy what he was going to do for work when he got out of the half way house and he said, "get a pick truck and haul things for people. There's always someone looking for people to do that." And with that, I never saw his guy again.

A year or so later, I heard on the news that a guy had gotten whacked while sleeping in the back of a car in the parking lot of a Seven-Eleven (we used to have them in SD at that time) in one of our 15,000 or so cities. The name sounded familiar, so asked my dad about it and sure enough it was the broccoli leaf munching M2 goof that I had met.

It seems this guy had ended up back in his home town (this 15,000 person city) and the father of his victim, some sort of under age sex crime, had found out that he was back in town. I'm not sure if the goof had tried making contact with his victim or if he was just back in town but the dad tracked him down and wasted him in the car in the C-store parking lot. If the goof loser was sleeping, he probably never felt a thing.

Thus, the father of the victim got his revenge on this loser but then deprived his own family of a decade or so of being in their lives on a daily basis. I lost track of the case so I don't know how long the dad went to prison for but I'm sure he went away on at least aggravated manslaughter. The loser who had abused his daughter had probably served +/- 10 years in prison so his killing wasn't a "heat of the moment" passion thing but most likely something that had festered with the victim's dad for a good while. In the end, did the father's revenge heal his daughter's trauma any better by being removed from the family for a number of years..? Maybe. Or maybe not.

P.S. I may not have read the original story close enough. If I would come across a rape in progress, I'd have no problem using lethal force against the perpetrator, so if this current guy in Arkansas had that situation, then I have no problem with his actions. I probably still wouldn't want him to be my sheriff but everybody can cast their own vote. But waiting a decade to kill a loser in the case I described above was probably a losing hand where no one really won.

Just my opinion.