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Pale martens #8588026 03/23/26 10:53 PM 03/23/26 10:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon beaverpeeler OP trapper
beaverpeeler OP trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	What regions produce pale colours? Apparently they went for a premium on this last FHA sale. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588031 03/23/26 11:02 PM 03/23/26 11:02 PM
Joined: May 2010 idaho W wallfur trapper
wallfur trapper W Joined: May 2010 idaho	used to buy alot of them from maine

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588033 03/23/26 11:08 PM 03/23/26 11:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 49th State M mad_mike trapper
mad_mike trapper M Joined: Jan 2008 49th State	We get a good variety of colors, I would say that it’s 50/50 here dark/pale. Wonder if a lighter marten dyes to a more consistent color?

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588035 03/23/26 11:15 PM 03/23/26 11:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 49th State M mad_mike trapper
mad_mike trapper M Joined: Jan 2008 49th State	Hope trapped4ever chimes in on this one. His region, although just a short distance from me, has some wild variations in coloration of the marten.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588036 03/23/26 11:18 PM 03/23/26 11:18 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas Savell trapper
Savell trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas	Originally Posted by beaverpeeler What regions produce pale colours? Apparently they went for a premium on this last FHA sale. … what’s with this “U” here lately ? Insert profound nonsense here

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588037 03/23/26 11:24 PM 03/23/26 11:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon beaverpeeler OP trapper
beaverpeeler OP trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	Since I didn't figure Texas martens would come into play I wanted to tempt input from Canada... Last edited by beaverpeeler; 03/23/26 11:25 PM. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Pale martens [Re: Savell] #8588038 03/23/26 11:27 PM 03/23/26 11:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 49th State M mad_mike trapper
mad_mike trapper M Joined: Jan 2008 49th State	Originally Posted by Savell Originally Posted by beaverpeeler What regions produce pale colours? Apparently they went for a premium on this last FHA sale. … what’s with this “U” here lately ? lol! It’s like extending your pinky when drinking a beer, duh!

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588039 03/23/26 11:27 PM 03/23/26 11:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas Savell trapper
Savell trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas	… you want input from Canadians ? … just put a pic in here of you’re bellybutton or something like that Insert profound nonsense here

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588042 03/23/26 11:36 PM 03/23/26 11:36 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	All different colours here BP,from canary to black. Those southerners are half bred mexicans that cant even speak english right let alone know how to spell,lol Last edited by Boco; 03/23/26 11:37 PM. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588045 03/23/26 11:39 PM 03/23/26 11:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon beaverpeeler OP trapper
beaverpeeler OP trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	Aren't you skating on thin ice already compadre? Canadians have better fur than us so we need to look up to them with respect. ....Of course, I am kind of fishing for an interest payment cheque for my revenue sharing certificates this year. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Pale martens [Re: Savell] #8588046 03/23/26 11:42 PM 03/23/26 11:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 49th State M mad_mike trapper
mad_mike trapper M Joined: Jan 2008 49th State	Originally Posted by Savell … you want input from Canadians ? … just put a pic in here of you’re bellybutton or something like that That work for ya, bud?

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588049 03/23/26 11:43 PM 03/23/26 11:43 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon beaverpeeler OP trapper
beaverpeeler OP trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	That your belly button bud or a pale-belly Texas wildcat? My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588051 03/23/26 11:44 PM 03/23/26 11:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 49th State M mad_mike trapper
mad_mike trapper M Joined: Jan 2008 49th State	We don’t get much sun up here.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588054 03/23/26 11:56 PM 03/23/26 11:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas Savell trapper
Savell trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas	… your pm’s about to be full from the maple leaf crowd … I was busy on the trapping only forum dropping wisdom … but definitely glad I checked back in here lol Insert profound nonsense here

Re: Pale martens [Re: mad_mike] #8588055 03/23/26 11:56 PM 03/23/26 11:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba N Northof50 trapper
Northof50 trapper N Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba	Originally Posted by mad_mike Wonder if a lighter marten dyes to a more consistent color? bingo we have a winner, been this way for 10 years with the new dye they use

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588056 03/23/26 11:58 PM 03/23/26 11:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon beaverpeeler OP trapper
beaverpeeler OP trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	So are Manitoba marten pale? My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Pale martens [Re: Boco] #8588057 03/23/26 11:58 PM 03/23/26 11:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas Savell trapper
Savell trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas	Originally Posted by Boco All different colours here BP,from canary to black. Those southerners are half bred mexicans that cant even speak english right let alone know how to spell,lol …. Yes … Boco is back in action ! Insert profound nonsense here

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588060 03/24/26 12:02 AM 03/24/26 12:02 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas Savell trapper
Savell trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas	… I don’t even know what a marten is … but imagine it’s a very stupid animal if Canadians can catch them with any regularity at all lol Insert profound nonsense here

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588061 03/24/26 12:07 AM 03/24/26 12:07 AM
Joined: Aug 2008 alaska 3 3 Fingers trapper
3 Fingers trapper 3 Joined: Aug 2008 alaska	MM I didn’t think Texas bobcats were that well furred

Re: Pale martens [Re: 3 Fingers] #8588062 03/24/26 12:09 AM 03/24/26 12:09 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas Savell trapper
Savell trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Coldspring Texas	Originally Posted by 3 Fingers MM I didn’t think Texas bobcats were that well furred … If you look close you can see a hermit crab peeking out of that thing lol Insert profound nonsense here

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588063 03/24/26 12:11 AM 03/24/26 12:11 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba N Northof50 trapper
Northof50 trapper N Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba	Originally Posted by beaverpeeler So are Manitoba marten pale? genetics is all over the board because of the re-introductions in pockets across southern Manitoba with low numbers, and yes all types above the 53 // more stable darks

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588065 03/24/26 12:13 AM 03/24/26 12:13 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon beaverpeeler OP trapper
beaverpeeler OP trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	Thanks North! My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588068 03/24/26 12:20 AM 03/24/26 12:20 AM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	Marten are not trap shy,kind of fearless,not hard to catch. Catching large numbers of them takes some traversing of fairly vast areas of wild country in fairly extreme conditions. Last edited by Boco; 03/24/26 12:21 AM. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588072 03/24/26 12:31 AM 03/24/26 12:31 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon beaverpeeler OP trapper
beaverpeeler OP trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	I can imagine that a lot more effort will go into next winters effort. Hopefully we've only just begun to see the rise in luxury fur. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588074 03/24/26 12:55 AM 03/24/26 12:55 AM
Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak D Dirt trapper
Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak	Originally Posted by beaverpeeler What regions produce pale colours? Apparently they went for a premium on this last FHA sale. My marten will grade 70 to 80 pale, extra pale Going back 30 years. This year not one graded pale extra pale? Sometimes you wonder? Who is John Galt?

Re: Pale martens [Re: mad_mike] #8588079 03/24/26 02:51 AM 03/24/26 02:51 AM
Joined: Apr 2009 alaska T trapped4ever trapper
trapped4ever trapper T Joined: Apr 2009 alaska	Originally Posted by mad_mike Hope trapped4ever chimes in on this one. His region, although just a short distance from me, has some wild variations in coloration of the marten. Hey MM, The usual mishmash here, but definitely trended mainly towards Xtra Darks and Darks here this year, with very few pales or extra pales mixed in. I didn't really see the price difference on my grade sheet mentioned by FHA for a premium for pales, so I guess I must not have had any of the proper lots of pales or Xtra pales to notice that discrepancy? I know I had some in the top lots, as several lots achieved that $310. I'm not going to complain, good prices on everything, so I'm currently boxing up another batch for the June FHA Auction. I'm really happy they have finally gotten their rear in gear, and are doing a great job finding and establishing a market/ buyers for us all again. Still a ways to go on some species (otters), but a very impressive sale on marten/ mink, not to mention cats, etc.... It looks like the wild fur trade in North America is maybe getting some footing back again finally??? Here is hoping we can all keep it on the right track for awhile, and keep FHA booming, along with our other various fur buyers, outlets, and auctions/ sales!!!

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588081 03/24/26 03:07 AM 03/24/26 03:07 AM
Joined: Apr 2009 alaska T trapped4ever trapper
trapped4ever trapper T Joined: Apr 2009 alaska	To the original question from beaverpeeler, both the Eastern and Western Interior of Alaska usually have a fairly high percentage of pale marten in the catch. From what Dirt always says, I guess the Armpit trends that way too.... back when I was trapping 150-160 miles SW of Dirt, we got some pale marten, but always had a fair percentage of the darker ones too....... Like I mentioned to mad mike, I didn't note the premium paid for pales that FHA mentioned in their report, on the batch I had on this sale. It didn't seem to hold true on my grades?

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588108 03/24/26 07:27 AM 03/24/26 07:27 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y... Jtrapper trapper
Jtrapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	4ever id not be posting them pictures if the tree rats are bringing 300! Your sitting on a gold mine! What's the deal with leaving the front legs that long on the mink? Nice fur! Not my circus, not my clowns.

Re: Pale martens [Re: trapped4ever] #8588143 03/24/26 09:19 AM 03/24/26 09:19 AM
Joined: Feb 2020 MT S Slick Pan trapper
Slick Pan trapper S Joined: Feb 2020 MT	trapped4ever Originally Posted by trapped4ever Originally Posted by mad_mike Hope trapped4ever chimes in on this one. His region, although just a short distance from me, has some wild variations in coloration of the marten. Hey MM, The usual mishmash here, but definitely trended mainly towards Xtra Darks and Darks here this year, with very few pales or extra pales mixed in. I didn't really see the price difference on my grade sheet mentioned by FHA for a premium for pales, so I guess I must not have had any of the proper lots of pales or Xtra pales to notice that discrepancy? I know I had some in the top lots, as several lots achieved that $310. I'm not going to complain, good prices on everything, so I'm currently boxing up another batch for the June FHA Auction. I'm really happy they have finally gotten their rear in gear, and are doing a great job finding and establishing a market/ buyers for us all again. Still a ways to go on some species (otters), but a very impressive sale on marten/ mink, not to mention cats, etc.... It looks like the wild fur trade in North America is maybe getting some footing back again finally??? Here is hoping we can all keep it on the right track for awhile, and keep FHA booming, along with our other various fur buyers, outlets, and auctions/ sales!!! This is a quality job.Shows that he cares about what he does.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588148 03/24/26 09:23 AM 03/24/26 09:23 AM
Joined: Feb 2020 MT S Slick Pan trapper
Slick Pan trapper S Joined: Feb 2020 MT	As far as an increase in martin trappers next season I would be surprised to see a lot. It's not like trapping beaver. You need to have the territory/line to do it. Martin are lotted according to color and size. If you want natural undyed skins for jackets etc. You simply buy those lots. Last edited by Slick Pan; 03/24/26 09:26 AM.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588165 03/24/26 09:55 AM 03/24/26 09:55 AM
Joined: Dec 2022 Alberta C CDNLongline trapper
CDNLongline trapper C Joined: Dec 2022 Alberta	Nice fur handling @trapping4ever, and quality. JTrapper regarding front legs - think we are looking at marten not mink. Partially dry marten before turning. As far as pales - we are mainly Mrd brown to dark, but pales and even true canaries or orange variations come in occasionally Trapping isn’t a hobby - it’s a lifestyle

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588194 03/24/26 10:29 AM 03/24/26 10:29 AM
Joined: May 2019 Saskatchewan R rvsask trapper
rvsask trapper R Joined: May 2019 Saskatchewan	We don't have many marten in our area. I did however pick up a couple this year in fisher sets and they were definitely different in appearance. I know a guy who catches more but he's further north, he gets a wide variation in color.

Re: Pale martens [Re: Jtrapper] #8588210 03/24/26 10:41 AM 03/24/26 10:41 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 40 years Alaska, now back to O... A alaska viking trapper
alaska viking trapper A Joined: Dec 2007 40 years Alaska, now back to O...	Originally Posted by Jtrapper 4ever id not be posting them pictures if the tree rats are bringing 300! Your sitting on a gold mine! What's the deal with leaving the front legs that long on the mink? Nice fur! What mink? All I see are marten. Just doing what I want now.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588212 03/24/26 10:41 AM 03/24/26 10:41 AM
Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak D Dirt trapper
Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak	I think the premium is they can actually sell pales again. Not the case a few short years ago when they ended up holding mine for a few years and ended up giving them away. The Auctions always said they were a little on the pale side. Last edited by Dirt; 03/24/26 11:13 AM. Who is John Galt?

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588213 03/24/26 10:42 AM 03/24/26 10:42 AM
Joined: May 2019 Saskatchewan R rvsask trapper
rvsask trapper R Joined: May 2019 Saskatchewan	I’m so new to actually actually catching marten I have no idea where the one of mine would even sit in terms of light or dark. The other one I just skinned out to tan as it had some great white feet and a white tip of tail. This one is going to the June sale with the rest of my fisher. Maybe an experienced marten trapper can tell me if it is light or dark. Lol

Re: Pale martens [Re: Jtrapper] #8588225 03/24/26 10:51 AM 03/24/26 10:51 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon beaverpeeler OP trapper
beaverpeeler OP trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	Originally Posted by Jtrapper 4ever id not be posting them pictures if the tree rats are bringing 300! Your sitting on a gold mine! What's the deal with leaving the front legs that long on the mink? Nice fur! Whatcha putting in your coffee this morning? Don't see neither mink nor front legs. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588251 03/24/26 11:39 AM 03/24/26 11:39 AM
Joined: Oct 2011 Idaho B bearcat2 trapper
bearcat2 trapper B Joined: Oct 2011 Idaho	I scrolled back up, and did finally see some front legs peeking out on the left side of the picture. But they were unturned marten rather than mink. I also leave the front legs long on my marten. Most of my marten are probably medium, not too dark and not too light, an orange cast to a lot of them, although I catch a few that have that grayish cast to the underfur. Throat patches can vary from orange to bright yellow to white.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588310 03/24/26 02:16 PM 03/24/26 02:16 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 alaska T trapped4ever trapper
trapped4ever trapper T Joined: Apr 2009 alaska	I have shown this before, but this was three caught at the same time and location, within 40' of each other. A bit of a color smorgasbord....

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588312 03/24/26 02:22 PM 03/24/26 02:22 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 40 years Alaska, now back to O... A alaska viking trapper
alaska viking trapper A Joined: Dec 2007 40 years Alaska, now back to O...	Look great, as usual. You worked for all of them this year! What a winter!!! Just doing what I want now.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588329 03/24/26 03:13 PM 03/24/26 03:13 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak D Dirt trapper
Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak	If you look at the marten catalog, I don't seem to any straight pales listed. It appears they got relabeled LT Brown? Who is John Galt?

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588333 03/24/26 03:30 PM 03/24/26 03:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 alaska T trapped4ever trapper
trapped4ever trapper T Joined: Apr 2009 alaska	Dirt, Must be one of those cases of grading terns kind of "shifting" to meet what is currently in demand? It appears in most cases that most Ltbrn and pales were lotted together/ combined. Like I said, on my grade sheets, I don't see any of the premium for pales that FHA mentioned, but when they post the sold catalog, I'm sure we'll see whatever it is they are referring to. Should be some good news for you That grade sheet you posted earlier used to be nightmare marten grades, but all good now!!

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588344 03/24/26 04:17 PM 03/24/26 04:17 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak D Dirt trapper
Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak	Careful now ! we don't want to imply the grade changes. Who is John Galt?

Re: Pale martens [Re: Dirt] #8588348 03/24/26 04:54 PM 03/24/26 04:54 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 alaska T trapped4ever trapper
trapped4ever trapper T Joined: Apr 2009 alaska	Originally Posted by Dirt Careful now ! we don't want to imply the grade changes.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588366 03/24/26 05:42 PM 03/24/26 05:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba N Northof50 trapper
Northof50 trapper N Joined: Dec 2008 Manitoba	In 1997 were the marten still in bundles of 80....when did they go to 200 bundles ? What is FHA #s in the bundles now.?

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588428 03/24/26 08:50 PM 03/24/26 08:50 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Northern Manitoba scootermac trapper
scootermac trapper Joined: Dec 2008 Northern Manitoba	Originally Posted by beaverpeeler So are Manitoba marten pale? In Northern Manitoba we have all colour variations.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588441 03/24/26 09:11 PM 03/24/26 09:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2022 Manitoba Shakeyjake trapper
Shakeyjake trapper Joined: Jun 2022 Manitoba	Same thing in the south Scooter. Beauty line up you got there! Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588473 03/24/26 09:42 PM 03/24/26 09:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon beaverpeeler OP trapper
beaverpeeler OP trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	Pretty interesting stuff. The variation is really amazing...much more than most furbearers I'm sure. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588540 03/25/26 06:17 AM 03/25/26 06:17 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y... Jtrapper trapper
Jtrapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	Whatcha putting in your coffee this morning? Don't see neither mink nor front legs. Looks like mink on boards in Slick Pans series of photo's. Granted ive never seen marten put up or the process so might be them but looks like mink hanging upside down on boards. Not my circus, not my clowns.

Re: Pale martens [Re: beaverpeeler] #8588544 03/25/26 06:38 AM 03/25/26 06:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2012 PA P panaxman trapper
panaxman trapper P Joined: Jan 2012 PA	Great post, enjoyed seeing the variety of colors!

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