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Re: Cedar trees in pasture
[Re: WadeRyan]
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Yesterday at 06:53 PM
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MN
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Good work, reminds me to go chop mine while the trees are small.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, & I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve
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Re: Cedar trees in pasture
[Re: WadeRyan]
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13 hours ago
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Joined: Nov 2010
Rochester, MN
Teacher
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Rochester, MN
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This is kind of interesting. I’ve been following guys on YouTube who say fox and coon head towards cedar trees for overhead cover. But you’re taking them out!
Never too old to learn
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Re: Cedar trees in pasture
[Re: Teacher]
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12 hours ago
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MN
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This is kind of interesting. I’ve been following guys on YouTube who say fox and coon head towards cedar trees for overhead cover. But you’re taking them out! Coons are worth $6 and a steer is worth $3,000, easy choice there.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, & I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve
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Re: Cedar trees in pasture
[Re: WadeRyan]
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11 hours ago
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Joined: Aug 2013
Louisville, Nebraska
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Louisville, Nebraska
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Nice job Wade. My wife bought a new Echo 20” 4920 to take down dead ash on our place. I’m not sure if she will let me touch it other than to sharpen saw teeth for her and maybe go get her more mix gas. She is not a flowers gal, but buy her a chainsaw or put her in seat of heavy equipment and she is so happy. That’s what makes life fun, right? Jim
Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.
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Re: Cedar trees in pasture
[Re: Teacher]
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9 hours ago
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MN
walleye101
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This is kind of interesting. I’ve been following guys on YouTube who say fox and coon head towards cedar trees for overhead cover. But you’re taking them out! I think they are dealing with Red Cedar as a pest tree in pastures. Quite different than White cedar we have in MN.
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Re: Cedar trees in pasture
[Re: Skippy 1]
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6 hours ago
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Indiana
Providence Farm
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I'm envious of your making those big burns. All I've got to do was little ditch burns. No kidding. I was going to burn a few acres on my farm. I mowed a 15 foot section around the square, started a fire that was fighting the wind so I could control it and mak a nice 25 foot bury out fire break with the plan of lighting it on the other end and letting the wind push it to the burnt spot and die out. Everything was going smoothly tell the wind changed. I was lucky to get it put out. I didnt have arm hair or eyelashes by the time it was out. I have not had a good size fire since im gun shy now. Would love to burn off several of my fields.
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Re: Cedar trees in pasture
[Re: walleye101]
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5 hours ago
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Joined: Dec 2013
Flint Hills, KS
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This is kind of interesting. I’ve been following guys on YouTube who say fox and coon head towards cedar trees for overhead cover. But you’re taking them out! I think they are dealing with Red Cedar as a pest tree in pastures. Quite different than White cedar we have in MN. Yep, we're out in the grasslands, and without fire our pastures turn into woodlots. Without burning, a clean native grass pasture can become a closed-canopy forest in a few short decades. If there is a good seed source nearby or a few woody plants in the pasture already, it'll disappear even faster. Eastern Redcedar is easy to kill with periodic fire, but the broadleaf resprouting shrubs and deciduous trees are harder to deal with. Best to never let them get established in the first place, and for that it takes burning nearly every year (and making sure your cattle leave enough grass behind, so that your pasture can actually burn). I'm a bit north of Yessir but in the same region. We've got a good 3500 acres burned thus far this year. Probably have another 5000 to go. It is a lot of fun to make big fire, and it's great to see those cedars go up. Good on you, Wade!
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Re: Cedar trees in pasture
[Re: WadeRyan]
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4 hours ago
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Joined: Dec 2013
Flint Hills, KS
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You're not wrong Kansas Cat! This conundrum has got me in a quandary, and I'm curious as to what you're experiencing where you are. What we're seeing here is that anything less than annual burning leads to serious woody plant invasion, but we also are told that annual burning leaves no cover for nesting grassland birds (including GPC, though anecdotally, I do chickens nesting in annually burned prairie. No idea what the success rate is...). However, there is also good research showing that the presence of trees in even loose proximity to grassland bird nesting locations is detrimental to them...so we need to keep the woodies out too. Not burning hurts the birds because it lets woody plants in, but burning to keep the woodies out kills the birds. In this situation most managers turn to the chemical companies. That's got a different suite of problems, and probably isn't a good long term solution. I've tossed around the idea of adding browsers to the system, they'd harm the woody plants and lessen the role that fire would need to play, but that's an unpopular idea with its own suite of problems...maybe staggering and rotating the seasonality of fire in your pastures, so that some are burned after nesting season is over and early-burned pastures have regrown?
Any thoughts or advice? What kind of burn rotation do you do? Have you seen plum, dogwood, pricklyash, honeylocust, etc. coming in? If so, how do you deal with it?
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