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FDR's Economic Bill of Rights
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I came across this today in my reading and thought it might make a good post, providing it does not get too political. Which, I mean, I suppose it is political, but I am more interested in from an economic standpoint. All my life I have always heard people talking about FDR being a great president. But as I read more about him throughout life, I liked him less and less. Well, anyways, I came across this today. It is from the 1944 SOTU address, and has been dubbed the economic bill of rights. In my opinion, FDR and many of the policies he implemented, were the beginning of the end of capitalism in this country. I would make the argument that he was one of the worst presidents this country has ever had. This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.
As our Nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. "Necessitous men are not free men." People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all regardless of station, race, or creed.
Among these are:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world." My question to this would be, at whose expense? I think we all know the answer to that.
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I don't see any of those as "rights"....Looks more like socialism.
"Those who would trade essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"....Ben Franklin
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I wish I could find that funny.....
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I don't see any of those as "rights"....Looks more like socialism.
"Those who would trade essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"....Ben Franklin FDR was a big fan of communism, not just watered down socialism. He thought communism was the ideal, but that it would have to be worked towards incrementally.
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were the beginning of the end of capitalism in this country. I would make the argument that he was one of the worst presidents this country has ever had
Yep one of the worst. Added onto the beginning of the government overreach into private sector and pro labor visions of his distant cousin Teddy
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I believe the right to a good education is critical to the country, the important part of that statement is “good” and that’s the issue today people can have 20 plus years of education and know less that people did in the 30’s with 8 years of education. So you believe education is a right? I do not.... good or otherwise. I feel that everyone has the right to pursue an education for themselves or their children, but not a right to have one provided them at no cost. Because "no cost" does not exist. Everything has a cost. As I said in my first post.... at whose expense? Why should I, who have no children, have to pay for LaShondra's 8 kids with 7 different daddies' educations? Or for that matter, yours? Why would anyone have children and expect someone else to pay to educate them? How is it different than having kids and expecting someone else to feed them via food stamps? It's not! The Declaration of Independence promised man the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Keyword there being pursuit. In other words, Americans have the right to live in freedom, and to take the steps necessary to procure a successful and happy life for themselves and their families. It does not give them the right to emburden others by forcing them to pay for their pursuit of happiness.
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I bet Bernie Sanders has an FDR poster above his bed. Hahahaha!!! Dang it!! Chocolate milk out of my nose!!! Hahahaha
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Was it FDRs plans that pulled the United States out of the depression or was it the war??
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I wish I could find that funny..... That young lady had just minutes to live on that bus ride! That poc sitting behind her killed her just after the photo. The 1:00 MINUTE MARK!
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I have no problem with tax dollars being spent on public education. What I have a problem with is faceless bureaucrats, a thousand miles from here, dictating what that education should look like.
Even someone without kids benefits from public education.
The option of private school exists for those who want it.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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P.S. No way to know with any certainty but I believe FDR prolonged the depression. I also believe that U.S. involvement in that European abortion known as WWI is the reason we had WWII. That was a conflict the U.S. should never have gotten involved in. Until the U.S. showed up, Europeans had fought themselves into a standstill. Drafting school boys to go and fight.
Germany sank some U.S. ships and was the catalyst for U.S. entry. Newspapers stirred folks up claiming Germany sank passenger ships. How many innocent passengers were on their way to a war zone? U.S, companies were selling supplies to England. Those supplies were on those ships. Germany took out full page ads in NY newspapers warning those ships were going to be sunk.
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Thomas Sowell has some great thoughts on public education and FDR’s policies
If anyone hasn’t already read his work,,,, you should
Probably could do a AI summary search and get a taste,,,,,
Huge Thomas Sowell fan here!!!
One of the brightest minds in recent times,,,
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Was it FDRs plans that pulled the United States out of the depression or was it the war?? Obviously the war but every 9th grade civics student is taught otherwise during the course of their Publix education
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