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Re: Herbicides
[Re: RockCrick]
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Yesterday at 06:06 PM
Yesterday at 06:06 PM
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S/W Mich.
Dillrod
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Following I find the plants that spread by roots, the hardest for me. Deep stuff like thistle, ect. Nothing yet for me
Last edited by Dillrod; Yesterday at 06:55 PM. Reason: Sp.
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Re: Herbicides
[Re: RockCrick]
#8592442
Yesterday at 06:10 PM
Yesterday at 06:10 PM
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Joined: Aug 2011
VA
missinglink
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VA
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RC, I worked with industrial weed killers for over 35 years. What you are asking for is the holy grail. If you consider the impact to surrounding vegetation, including trees, and the likely-hood of herbicide movement from the treatment site, there's no good answer for residential use. By necessity, all herbicides with residual control characteristics have to be water soluble to some extent in order to be absorbed by roots of the target vegetation. This makes them available to be absorbed by the roots of not only the target pests but also by desirable plants including trees and shrubs. This same characteristic also makes them prone to movement from the application site. How much movement depends on the water solubility of the chemical, the amount of rainfall/moisture it receives, and the soil characteristics. They are fine for industrial uses such as railroad beds, plant sites, road shoulders, and electrical substations applied by professional applicators, but can get joe-blow homeowner into a lot of problems. Most of the more effective residual herbicides have labels that read not for residential use. Whatever product(s) you have an interest in READ THE LABEL, READ THE LABEL, READ THE LABEL.
Squierrelslayer's advise is probably as good as you can expect. You might find others. Avoid products containing bromacil or hexazinone
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Re: Herbicides
[Re: grumpa]
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Yesterday at 07:04 PM
Yesterday at 07:04 PM
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Joined: Apr 2009
Oregon
RockCrick
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Oregon
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A good dose of hay and stock salt will help. Worked for the Romans. Non toxic unless you eat too much of it. I actually dumped a bag stock salt leftover from salting hides all over a section to see how it works. It appears that it is dessicating the grass but it’s only been a few days. What’s the rationale for adding hay to the mix. I like the idea of salt since it’s so cheap
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Re: Herbicides
[Re: missinglink]
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Yesterday at 07:05 PM
Yesterday at 07:05 PM
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Joined: Apr 2009
Oregon
RockCrick
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Oregon
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RC, I worked with industrial weed killers for over 35 years. What you are asking for is the holy grail. If you consider the impact to surrounding vegetation, including trees, and the likely-hood of herbicide movement from the treatment site, there's no good answer for residential use. By necessity, all herbicides with residual control characteristics have to be water soluble to some extent in order to be absorbed by roots of the target vegetation. This makes them available to be absorbed by the roots of not only the target pests but also by desirable plants including trees and shrubs. This same characteristic also makes them prone to movement from the application site. How much movement depends on the water solubility of the chemical, the amount of rainfall/moisture it receives, and the soil characteristics. They are fine for industrial uses such as railroad beds, plant sites, road shoulders, and electrical substations applied by professional applicators, but can get joe-blow homeowner into a lot of problems. Most of the more effective residual herbicides have labels that read not for residential use. Whatever product(s) you have an interest in READ THE LABEL, READ THE LABEL, READ THE LABEL.
Squierrelslayer's advise is probably as good as you can expect. You might find others. Avoid products containing bromacil or hexazinone
Thanks for the info, what would you recommend for residential?
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Re: Herbicides
[Re: RockCrick]
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Yesterday at 07:28 PM
Yesterday at 07:28 PM
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Joined: Jun 2022
Manitoba
Shakeyjake
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Manitoba
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Haha, I don’t know much about herbicide, but I’m getting my commercial applicators licence soon. For now, I just use gas. Gas kills stuff……lol
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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Re: Herbicides
[Re: RockCrick]
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Yesterday at 07:29 PM
Yesterday at 07:29 PM
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Joined: Oct 2007
OK
Aaron Proffitt
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OK
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I need something that kills elms.
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Re: Herbicides
[Re: RockCrick]
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Yesterday at 11:04 PM
Yesterday at 11:04 PM
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Joined: Aug 2011
VA
missinglink
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VA
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RC, I had a response all typed out and a thunderstorm scrapped everything.
Kansasace2's recommendation is a viable option. Pramitol is a potential alternative with the risks of non-target effects and movement somewhat minimized. However, in the realm of industrial alternatives it is considered a weak performer. It will not meet your criteria for a multiyear solution.
The Arsenal Charles mentioned uses imazapyr as the active ingredient as mentioned previously. The manufacturer, BASF, offers a product under the brand name Sahara. This is combination of imazapyr and diuron. It's fairly effective but won't give you multiple years of control. And, it presents a risk to adjoining vegetation, including trees, that may have roots extending in the treated area. I'm unsure of the label restrictions regarding residential use...READ THE LABEL.
As for the non-commercial alternatives suggested, some can be quite expensive, especially if you're treating more than a few hundred square feet. Nearly all are going to require a high volume/weight of material in the application rate to be effective.
Let me sum this up by saying that even though I have decades of experience in the field, I do not use such products around my own residence. I may have to spray glyphosate (Roundup) two or three times a year, but I have too much to lose if if something doesn't go just right.
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Re: Herbicides
[Re: Aaron Proffitt]
#8592733
7 hours ago
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Joined: Jun 2022
Manitoba
Shakeyjake
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Manitoba
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I need something that kills elms. A copper spike or two pounded into the tree will eventually kill it. We’ve got old copper wire splices for some of our old small conductors at work. An old timer that hated a particular tree near his house wanted it gone. Unfortunately it was deemed a heritage tree and couldn’t be removed. So he took a couple 3” sleeves home and pounded them in. After one season, you could see the effects. A few years later the RM removed the dead thing.
Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
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