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Fur Farming #8593994
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elsmasho82 Offline OP
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How can it be defended if it comes up in conversation? My whole goal in educating people about trapping is from a management standpoint. If someone ever asked me about fur farming I honestly wouldn’t know what to say except that it could be a backup for the fur industry if fur became more popular and we needed to set limits on wild caught fur..I don’t fully understand it myself so if anyone can explain it to me, I’d be grateful

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594000
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I guess I don't view it as being any different than farming anything else? What difference does it make if the end product is being used for food or clothing, as long as it is being utilized? I guess if someone asked me that, I would ask them if they eat beef, chicken or pork? They'd likely reply with something like "Well yes, but you don't HAVE to wear fur, there are plenty of other things you could wear!" to which I'd reply "Well you don't HAVE to eat meat, there are plenty of vegetables and grains in the world."


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594003
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Clipped this from Google:

Emphasize that fur is a natural, renewable, and biodegradable resource, unlike synthetic "faux fur," which comes from petrochemicals and contributes to plastic pollution.

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594005
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As stated above there are dozens of other mamal and animal facilities and farming that are managed, raised and processed for human consumption and usage. Fur can be more emotional as the species involved are easier to show as cute and that many who are against fur also feel it is only used by very wealthy people in the world. That has not been the case over time but maybe moreso today than in the past. There is some good news for all consumptive users that the fastest growing regions of the world, Africa, South America and Asia are some of the fastest growing consumers of animal products of all types. Demographics may well be on our side.

Bryce

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594006
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Historically, over the last century ranch fur has propped up wild fur. Wild fur has ridden the coat tails of ranch fur.

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594013
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elsmasho82 Offline OP
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All excellent points thanks for helping me

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594029
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I've never really been able to honestly with most of the critters they fur farm. One of the main arguments is can you eat them ? Most people seem to be pretty chill if you can eat something but as soon as you tell them " yeah we just raise em in these lil cages , kill em take the fur and chunk the rest , yeaaaahhhhh


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: Wolfdog91] #8594031
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
I've never really been able to honestly with most of the critters they fur farm. One of the main arguments is can you eat them ? Most people seem to be pretty chill if you can eat something but as soon as you tell them " yeah we just raise em in these lil cages , kill em take the fur and chunk the rest , yeaaaahhhhh



I know it is hard for ME to justify so I don’t know how to explain it to others. But I also look at how much we WASTE with other things. How many deer hides end up in a landfill every year??

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594045
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Honestly when it comes to killing anything if you can't eat the meat or don't eat seems 80% of the people are just done there no other point or deal for them. Also when 80% of people can't actually afford fur clothing it's like " yay one more thing to keep around for rich people"
Donat help a lot of fur clothing is kinda tacky looking imo


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594057
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In the USSR, fur farms were commonly organized in the "zones of risky agriculture" (northern boreal zone, tundras and remote coastal areas) especially where cheap proteins such as low-value freshwater fish or waste from sea fish processing plants was readily available. It created plenty of jobs in remote settlements, which in turn allowed to cut costs/support local infrastructure in areas where human presence would otherwise be scarce and/or fully subsidized. Very often, fur from such local farms was processed into garments locally, which created more jobs and also satisfied the local demand for available, pretty and warm clothing.

Fur farms were also common in places with lots of cattle, where there was insufficient local infrastructure for processing slaughterhouse waste and by-products into things like bone meal or gelatin, or the logistics was too complicated or unprofitable, so feeding ranch furbearers was a good local way to minimize waste (and again, create jobs). Moreover, carcasses from fur farms used to be processed and fed to pigs (another level of waste minimization/recycling). It all fell apart of course, not because the concept was flawed, but rather because EVERYTHING collapsed in the 90's; about the same time, Greenpeace/PETA agenda peaked and this branch of the ranch fur industry never got a chance to recover.

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594079
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Some states do not allow the sale of wild game products. Here in NC, we cannot sell a deer hide. They all go into the gut hole. I did have a pie bald hide tanned once.

Re: Fur Farming [Re: Tatiana] #8594080
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Originally Posted by Tatiana
In the USSR, fur farms were commonly organized in the "zones of risky agriculture" (northern boreal zone, tundras and remote coastal areas) especially where cheap proteins such as low-value freshwater fish or waste from sea fish processing plants was readily available. It created plenty of jobs in remote settlements, which in turn allowed to cut costs/support local infrastructure in areas where human presence would otherwise be scarce and/or fully subsidized. Very often, fur from such local farms was processed into garments locally, which created more jobs and also satisfied the local demand for available, pretty and warm clothing.

Fur farms were also common in places with lots of cattle, where there was insufficient local infrastructure for processing slaughterhouse waste and by-products into things like bone meal or gelatin, or the logistics was too complicated or unprofitable, so feeding ranch furbearers was a good local way to minimize waste (and again, create jobs). Moreover, carcasses from fur farms used to be processed and fed to pigs (another level of waste minimization/recycling). It all fell apart of course, not because the concept was flawed, but rather because EVERYTHING collapsed in the 90's; about the same time, Greenpeace/PETA agenda peaked and this branch of the ranch fur industry never got a chance to recover.



Holy crap.

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594110
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^^^And happy Easter too!


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594116
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Originally Posted by elsmasho82
Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
I've never really been able to honestly with most of the critters they fur farm. One of the main arguments is can you eat them ? Most people seem to be pretty chill if you can eat something but as soon as you tell them " yeah we just raise em in these lil cages , kill em take the fur and chunk the rest , yeaaaahhhhh



I know it is hard for ME to justify so I don’t know how to explain it to others. But I also look at how much we WASTE with other things. How many deer hides end up in a landfill every year??


How many of the wild furbearers that you trap do you eat?

Re: Fur Farming [Re: Boone Liane] #8594123
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Totally disagree. A common statement from fur farmers. The industry can only handle so many pelts- farmed or otherwise. Every fur that comes from a farm and is purchased is one less that is sold from the wild. Prices now are improving for, among other things, the fur farm industry pelting out much of their stock and europeans banning it in a lot of countries. If no fur was produced from farms, wild fur would be much more valuable, IMHO.

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594144
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Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594202
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I’d justify it like this.
1. Fur farming is done on private land with no guvment assistance, so mind your own business.
Pretty simple really. This ole world would be a much better place if some folks could do this.

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594219
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I see no difference between fur farming or livestock farming. If you don’t think it’s right to raise animals for fur and trap, hunt ,eat meat, wear leather etc you’re a hypocrite imo.


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: Wolfdog91] #8594227
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Honestly when it comes to killing anything if you can't eat the meat or don't eat seems 80% of the people are just done there no other point or deal for them. Also when 80% of people can't actually afford fur clothing it's like " yay one more thing to keep around for rich people"
Donat help a lot of fur clothing is kinda tacky looking imo


Holly crap.dang bud

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