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Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594228
Yesterday at 09:49 PM
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Yep I see no difference whatsoever in raising and killing an animal to turn it into a steak or a Big Mac, or raising and killing an animal to make it into a hat or pair of mittens. In both cases the animal is being raised and killed to provide something for a human, so what's the difference?


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594297
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Oregon
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AND....it was bred for that.


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594299
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Keeping animals for pets, or purpose?

4 out of 5 people are stupid…..

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594319
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Vernal, Utah, USA
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Arguments against use of leather and furs are made based on false moral grounds that go against God's plan for humans and animals.

When Adam and Eve found themselves naked in the Garden of Eden the Lord God made coats of skin to cover their nakedness (Gen 3:21).

In the first mention of the creation of man in the image and likeness of God it also mentions giving man dominion over the fishes of the sea, the birds in the air, livestock and every creeping thing on earth. (Gen 1:26). It's a stewardship where we are allowed to use animals for our benefit. We just need to do it in a responsible and humane manner. They were created for our use.

We raise and harvest animals, birds and fish for meat to fuel our bodies. Why would it be ok to kill animals for meat that we use up quickly, and not ok to kill then for their skins that can keep us warm for years?


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: Bdaniel] #8594335
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Originally Posted by Bdaniel
Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Honestly when it comes to killing anything if you can't eat the meat or don't eat seems 80% of the people are just done there no other point or deal for them. Also when 80% of people can't actually afford fur clothing it's like " yay one more thing to keep around for rich people"
Donat help a lot of fur clothing is kinda tacky looking imo


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Just observations from a lot ....and I mean alot of conversations. Same goes for trapping and predator hunting . First thing people ask " are you gonna eat them ?" That's legitimately all most of them care about and past that just don't matter. Heck even from other outdoors people I get it a lot of " well if you ain't gonna eat em why you killing em ?!" You can talk about biodegradable, renewable and all that as much as you want Ibut honestly most people just do not care . Usually some BS about how the Indians used every part of the animal and some self righteous grand standing on their soap box about how they make whatever out of whatever blah blah blah. Same folks I've seen hang a coyote on there fences to scare off the others smirk

And as far as clothing yeah , again I when bring up how great it is for whatever reasonss it'll boil down to " how much is it ? Ok why would I care if I can't even afford it or take care of it properly?" It's either that or they don't really care about the moral whatevers for or against they just want it . Just is what it is .


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: Wolfdog91] #8594339
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91

And as far as clothing yeah , again I when bring up how great it is for whatever reasonss it'll boil down to " how much is it ? Ok why would I care if I can't even afford it or take care of it properly?" It's either that or they don't really care about the moral whatevers for or against they just want it . Just is what it is .


Fur is actually quite affordable if you consider how many seasons a fur coat lasts and the prices of synthetic analogs of comparable warmth. Not to mention the latter are becoming worse and worse and are not made to last compared to what the same brands offered in the 90's. More importantly, fur garments can be upcycled. A lot of the furriers' work here consists in repairs, upgrading and upcycling rather than making new garments, including complete reassembly of old fur garments into newer more fashionable models. Many garments such as mink coats can be easily fixed and made to look good as new by replacing the worn out parts (sleeves, armpits and collars). I catch a small handful of mink and sell most of them tanned exactly for such repairs. Fur coats where the guard hair is too worn, or beaver and lambskin coats where the fur appears slightly matted, are often remade into fur-in parkas, in which the fur is used as lining, and can serve several more seasons. So you can easily get a total of 20+ seasons out of a single garment, maybe more, plus you can upcycle old fur into throws, pillows (including pillows for pet cats) etc etc. Some people use old fur coats to make winter garments for short-haired dogs so they can enjoy long walks in freezing cold weather.
What I'm describing here is not poverty finance tricks, it's normal practice with fur coats among middle class fashion-conscious ladies.

Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594346
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Your right wolfdog. There is no point in trying to change their mind. Brainwashed by TV most people have lost all ability for reason. I sleep fine at night. Got no problem looking myself in the eye when I shave of a morning. I avoid people who ask, "do you eat them". If I can't avoid them I I don't bring up trapping. I seriously doubt they can convince you it's morally wrong to kill animals for fur anymore than you will convince them there are benefits.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Fur Farming [Re: Dean Chapel] #8594356
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Originally Posted by Dean Chapel
Totally disagree. A common statement from fur farmers. The industry can only handle so many pelts- farmed or otherwise. Every fur that comes from a farm and is purchased is one less that is sold from the wild. Prices now are improving for, among other things, the fur farm industry pelting out much of their stock and europeans banning it in a lot of countries. If no fur was produced from farms, wild fur would be much more valuable, IMHO.

The wild fur numbers don’t come close to the ranch fur production. If the manufacturer can’t get enough product to fill their orders, they’ll move on to something else, not jack the price of their product because it’s rare. Not in all cases, like cat belly coats, but in a few others this’ll hold true.
I’m going to keep my opinion to myself regarding industrial farms, but I still love pork. I see fur farming in the same like as any other livestock.

On a side note, I like visiting zoos, but after seeing wild playgrounds, it’s sad to see them in jail. I thought the wolves in Calgary Zoo were pups. Turns out they were old age adults over 10 years old. Used to roam hundreds or thousands of square miles, now they’re in this bushy jail cell. Same with bear, but elephant not so bad as I’ve never observed them in the wild. Monkeys can live in zoos though. Those crap chuckers can turn any situation into a good time!


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Re: Fur Farming [Re: elsmasho82] #8594404
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Im not a big fan of trying to justify trapping by using population management as the main reason. For the large majority it isnt the reason they trap. Very easy in my opinion to poke a hole in that argument for most trappers. The question is is it ethical to harvest other animals. Thats the ultimate question.

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