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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600033
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From what I heard, it's on private land, near the park....so unless someone wants to buy it and restrict any other activities..they're welcome to do so.

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: TraderVic] #8600034
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FWIW, The BWCAW is NOT private land.

You are correct, it WAS private land until the Govt seized it and took it away….


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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: gcs] #8600035
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Originally Posted by gcs
From what I heard, it's on private land, near the park....so unless someone wants to buy it and restrict any other activities..they're welcome to do so.


My point from the beginning.
No one read the article,,,only the headlines

Chile owned operation, maybe we can trade for coffee and coca


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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600036
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Yes it's a terrible idea. And it's not even an American company.


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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: PAskinner] #8600037
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Yes it's a terrible idea. And it's not even an American company.


NOT American company,,,,, BINGO! But we perform operations in foreign countries?


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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: corky] #8600038
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Originally Posted by corky
Originally Posted by Yes sir
We have great technologies that allow us to develop and utilize our natural resources without causing much impact on the environment. I think opening up these opportunities to do so are positive steps in strengthening this country. The more we produce within our own nation the better off we are. We have lost so much of our industry that its going to have negative impacts in the future.

Well said

These technologies exist, but the problem lies in getting companies and industry to use them. They're usually very expensive and time consuming, so they won't do it on their own.

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600047
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As trappers are we for or against the use of natural resources?

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600050
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Probably generally yes, but it depends for me and many others. And there’s a difference in renewable resources like beavers versus non-renewables like oil and copper. Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: Yes sir] #8600051
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
16% of Canada's gdp comes from developing their natural resources yet boco gets on here and acts like its a bad thing. I dont understand it..

Maybe both of us dont get it


At it's root, trapping itself is taking of natural resources and every set we make is altering nature. So which is for these tree huggers? No extraction of any resource whatsoever or just those that aren't their's?


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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: gcs] #8600052
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Originally Posted by gcs
From what I heard, it's on private land, near the park....so unless someone wants to buy it and restrict any other activities..they're welcome to do so.



The land that the mines are on may be private. The concern is that the watershed that the property is a part of drains into the Boundary Waters. Thus, any pollution/contaminates from the mine will be drained into the Boundary Waters. For those that haven't educated themselves on the history of the Boundary Waters, the historical fights to keep it pristine, and what the Boundary Waters actually are, you should educate yourselves. The Boundary Waters isn't just a few hundred acre lake that prohibits the use of motorboats.

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600053
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The key to understanding Boco and his type is to ask, is it good for the advancement of human society. If the answer is in the affirmative then they are opposed to it.


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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600054
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Another Auto-pen going to happen....great

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: ScottW] #8600055
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Originally Posted by ScottW
Probably generally yes, but it depends for me and many others. And there’s a difference in renewable resources like beavers versus non-renewables like oil and copper. Happy trapping! ScottW


Exactly. You nailed it, Scott. I'd be a hypocrite to be against the taking of our resources. But renewable and sustainable is much different than nonrenewable and permanent environmental damages. As trappers, hunters, fisherman, isn't it also part of our duty to protect and advocate for the resources that provide us with our bounty? Is it alright to pillage and devastate our resources and walk away? It would be a hypocrite that would say they love the hunting, trapping, the outdoors but think it's alright to destroy a resource and then shrug and walk away for future generations to rectify.

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600057
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Until we are ready to accept a drastic decline in lifestyle there has to be mines to provide those goods and services.

The mines have to be where the minerals are.

Don't like it give us a list of what your ready to give up.

No more Aluminum boats, outboard motors, snow machines, 4 wheelers just to name a few things that need mining to exist.

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: atrapper] #8600059
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Originally Posted by atrapper
Originally Posted by ScottW
Probably generally yes, but it depends for me and many others. And there’s a difference in renewable resources like beavers versus non-renewables like oil and copper. Happy trapping! ScottW


Exactly. You nailed it, Scott. I'd be a hypocrite to be against the taking of our resources. But renewable and sustainable is much different than nonrenewable and permanent environmental damages. As trappers, hunters, fisherman, isn't it also part of our duty to protect and advocate for the resources that provide us with our bounty? Is it alright to pillage and devastate our resources and walk away? It would be a hypocrite that would say they love the hunting, trapping, the outdoors but think it's alright to destroy a resource and then shrug and walk away for future generations to rectify.

There is middle ground. Ive hunted and fish some open pit mines that closed . To say they destroy a resource and cause a problem that takes generations to rectify might be taking it to an extreme. And usually the foot print in thr big picture is a very small one. How many acres of this boundary waters are we talking. 10%, 5% or less that 1%? Or does it matter? I don't see nature as a whole being as delicate as some seem to think it is.

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600060
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In my neck of the woods mining created fishing holes and habitat for fur bearers that live in or frequent water. It did destroy habitat for rabbits, squirrels, woodpeckers and such. Produced aluminum for beer cans and such. Employed a bunch of folk too. However, because of folks who are against the use of non renewable resources and the regulations they support, that aluminum is produced in other countries. So now the residents of other countries receive the benefits of employment and new fishing holes.

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Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600062
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I wonder which destroys more habitat a year, mining or or folks building homes out in the country just because they want to be in the country.

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8600063
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Home building I would imagine. With the influx of California's I've lost several pieces of trapping ground over the last 10 years.

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: Yes sir] #8600066
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
I wonder which destroys more habitat a year, mining or or folks building homes out in the country just because they want to be in the country.


I’d bet almost for sure residential development, especially on the outskirts of cities. Nary an original wetland to be found in a city or suburb nowadays. Residential and other development in areas of migratory game can and do have massive impacts on long and short term. Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Bad For The Boundary Waters? [Re: ScottW] #8600069
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Originally Posted by ScottW
Originally Posted by Yes sir
I wonder which destroys more habitat a year, mining or or folks building homes out in the country just because they want to be in the country.


I’d bet almost for sure residential development, especially on the outskirts of cities. Nary an original wetland to be found in a city or suburb nowadays. Residential and other development in areas of migratory game can and do have massive impacts on long and short term. Happy trapping! ScottW


And all those new houses need mining and logging to get built.


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