Keith

This post may get interesting, lol.

I don't think my father on lsd or shrooms would be a good thing. It was bad enough without the walls melting.

I believe Shawn Ryan had positive things to say about his experience with them.

O...so now we have permission now .....cool lol ....

Ibogaine is the real deal. Governor Rick Perry and Bryan Hubbard say it’s a miracle drug and have pushed legislation through in Texas. Texas will be the first state with its own Ibogaine clinic and research program. I’ve researched it a bunch and have completely changed my thoughts on it and drugs like it when done in a controlled manner. One Ibogaine treatment has a 85% cure rate for folks hooked on and drugs, alcohol or veterans with PTSD. Also a large majority that take the treatment have a religious experience and come to Christ. It’s pretty amazing

This is the first I have heard of Ibogaine. I've read for years about the positive effects of microdosing psilocybin. From the little bit I read on the Ibogaine, it sounds as if it would also be microdosed.

PTSD, battle fatigue, shell shock, whatever you want to call it has been recognized for a long time. Guys come home from war crippled in a way that hides behind a healthy body. The anti depressants VA prescribes are not effective very often. Veteran suicide is a big problem. Another unseen problem is the effect on their wives and kids. The icing on the cake is that big brother puts sufferers in a data base. Thus creating more problems not the least of which is reluctance to speak about what they are dealing with.

I hope it works. I hope they don't drag out the testing.

In the right setting, for the right reasons, it can help so many people. There is a Netflix documentary about 3 veterans and their journeys using it for treatment - In Waves and War. Before you pass judgement, read up on it.

I will preface this post with saying the following, I am NOT a mental health expert. If you have or suspect you have PTSD, please contact a mental health expert and seek their advice!


Post Traumatic Stress Injuries may be one of the most under diagnosed, widely varied, and often misunderstood mental health issues in our society today. While veterans are susceptible to these injuries, so are those working in emergency services, and there are a considerable number of injuries resulting from childhood trauma, violent crime, sexual assault, and many other events. When you throw in the topic of moral injury (which has a strong correlation to development of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder/Injury) and societal/political changes, these topics start hitting closer to home than most would care to admit.

I admittedly did not watch the video. It was the title to this thread "Re: Hope for veterans suffering from PTSD" which drew me in. While chemical treatments might work for some, there is so much stigma around what we call "PTSD", the treatment of it, and frankly what the characteristics of the person/people are who suffer from it (which are often, though not always, way off base), I wanted to emphasize this.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY HOPE FOR THOSE WHO FIND THEMSELVES DIAGNOSED WITH PTSD!

Many of us would likely be surprised to know we all likely know someone who has been/could be clinically diagnosed with PTSD. I'm not meaning those who self diagnosis through Dr. Google, I mean a clinically affirmed mental health diagnosis. It is that prevalent. And, those who are/could be diagnosed with it, are often very effective and socially important contributors to our society. I wish the stigma attached with a PTSD diagnosis was completely eliminated from our society. It might compel many to seek effective treatment that would, undoubtedly, improve their quality and enjoyment of life.

If you are concerned you may be suffering from PTSD, please seek treatment from a provider you trust. The likelihood of a significant quality of life improvement is huge!

In layman terms, PTSD is the result of experiences the memory has not had the ability/capability to process and file like it typically does. This can occur for a variety or reasons, but it is the reason after a traumatic event that defusings are held in which people will counsel those who have gone through a traumatic experience to do the best they can to keep up normal habits/routines (like workouts, going to bed, waking up, etc.), get proper/good nutrition (feeding the body well), do the best they can to sleep well (often difficult) and avoid drug/alcohol use. All these "habits" help the brain to stay healthy in order to process memories. It will often include the opportunity to discuss the event generally/briefly in order to start it processing.

When we sleep, essentially memories process through a little CPU in our brain to be sorted and "filed" or stored. When the trauma is significant and/or the brain not running at full power/health, those memories can essentially fragment and then attach to random things. This can explain why a traumatic event of the past somehow gets attached to random things that become triggers.

If you have been diagnosed with PTSD and do not know how to proceed, please find and contact a provider you trust and inquire about the following two treatments.

Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) therapy utilizes bilateral (hemisphere) brain stimulation through (typically) eye movement (with lights), but can also utilize other sensory clues such as tactile (vibration in fingers/hands for instances) or auditory (via sound/tones) to reprocess memories.

Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART) utilizes a similar modality to EMDR, meaning it uses bilateral stimulation, eye movement, and also other sensory inputs. The biggest difference, as it has been explained to me, is that EMDR often times opens all the boxes on the shelves, where as ART allows the provider to open individual boxes rather than all of them at once. Boxes in this reference can mean experiences or issues the patient is contending with. Essentially, as I understand it, ART allows the therapist to zoom in on a specific behavior, experience, or issue to treat immediate concerns/or individual things the patient wishes to work on more easily.

This link below helps explain the differences a little more. I'm not associated with this site and this is not a recommendation for them. It was simply the quickest article I could find that does a good job of explaining the differences of these two therapies.

EMDR has been found to be EXTREMELY effective at improving the quality of life and treating the anxieties and issues related to PTSD experiences for patients. ART appears to be having similar success with a slightly different method. Both are worth attempting for those willing to do so in an effort to improve MANY aspects of quality of life.

Incidentally, if someone is suffering from depression and anxiety, the bilateral stimulation techniques of these two treatments are beginning to show in emerging research to also be helpful treatments for those issues.

BTW, for those who may be dubious of this kind of treatment, consider this. Have you ever found you were faced with a problem and decided to go for a walk? During or after the walk, did you find you had either found a solution to your problem, or at least a better understanding of possible solutions? That is an example of bilateral stimulation, your feet hitting the ground alternatively actually triggers bilateral stimulation! The same thing can be done driving down the road tapping the index finger of your hands in an alternating pattern on the steering wheel. Bilateral stimulation "speeds" up the processing power of your brain! (Again, layman terms, I'm not smart enough to clinically explain the phenomenon.)

Bottom line y'all, if PTSD is something you suffer with or believe you might suffer with, there absolutely is hope, please seek the treatment of a trusted, qualified, mental health expert!


EMDR vs ART Differences

Myself being a Viet Nam Vet, know and have experienced PTSD, Wasn't caused by in the rear with the beer. Salute insanelupas, for your post. I admitted myself, into the trama center for vets Topeka Ks. years ago. I had a doctor by the name of John, head person for trama, another fellow, who was case worker, went by name Mike. Was 45 days, there way, not my way. I'm very grateful, for there time, and treatment. I still have bouts of PTSD, but now I can reconize it and control it. Vets, all I can say, is don't run or fight PTSD, seek help. READ INSANELUPAS POST

Tatiana, I hope that you're not too smart for your own good! If the posts you make on here are you "barely functioning" then the highly functioning version would be scary!

If you want to inform yourself you could listen or watch Joe Rogan episode 2251 or episode 2477 they are really good. Tucker also had Bryan Hubbard on his podcast. Very informative and it appears to be a fantastic drug. It can’t be abused because it cures abuse and has had life changing results in our veteran community. It also shows promise with many other neurological illnesses

insanelupus, that was a very good post. Well explained and full of what sounds like very good information. You gave us the caveat that you're not a mental health expert, so I'm curious to what your background is then? You obviously have delved heavily into the topic.

I support allowing legal research and testing of any natural substance that may be helpful in the treatment of diseases or disorders. I see there have been deaths associated with the use of Ibogaine, even at low doses, but I am sure that is the case for pretty much all pharmaceuticals on the market today, and IMO isn't a reason not to research it further.

I do question your comment that it can't be abused because it cures abuse. That does not make sense to me. While it may not be physically addicting like opioids, I am sure it could be abused via psychological addiction just like any other hallucinogen can be.

Not name calling Tatiana...I meant "scary" in a good way!

...and I hope you had a good comeback retort to an obviously mal-adjusted "so-called" teacher.

I can tell you I know a guy very well that was dealing with massive drama from injurys to himself, his wife and death of his son. Surely could have benefited from some help. But clearly saw the attempt to link mental health with gun control and how the medical systems pushed anti depressants along with seeing admiting or asking for help as weak and chose to handel and figure it out himself. Was that smart who knows are there likely still underlying issues most likely.

Before I saw how great the editable pot chocolate effected mom when she was going through radiation and chemo I was anti drug after that I became pro pot for medical situations. And honestly after more thought on it I see much more harm from recreational drinking than pot. I have never see someone get stoned and beat the heck out of their wife or kids but its not uncommon when some people drink.

Hopefully this research opens doors and helps a lot of people. Not just those experiencing the problems but also their families. So clearly I see this as a positive move.

beaverpeeler,

Passion and personal research due to a diagnosed family member, combined with education, through ministry in over a decade working with at risk population groups.

I don't want government control. The government will regulate your life and take advantage of every detail if you let them. AI is going to put you on a list you can't get off. Now think about covid. Of course it is beyond our control when everyone let's the government do their thinking. Just send $19.00 a month to support our vets. The government will just tax you if you want them in control. Open your mind and think.