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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8602951
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Shouldn’t even consider bailing out. The public hasn’t gotten anything positive out of past bailouts of autos and banks. Just more government vote buying and pocket lining. Current administration isn’t any different than predecessors in that regarding.

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I don’t agree with a bail out, but could they let JetBlue buy them at some dollar level?

Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8603006
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Well sure Jet Blue could buy them.... if they still want to....... as they tried to do before. They were prevented from merging by the government. Leading to this.

I am not sure what you mean by "at some dollar level"? Are you implying a dollar level set by..... who? The government? Any dollar amount would have to be an amount agreed upon by both Jet Blue and Spirit. At this point, the best thing the government could do in this instance, is to make it clear that they will NOT stand in the way if any other private company wishes to engage in mergers or acquisitions of Spirit.


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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8603329
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Current value, and not necessarily the offer before, I wasn’t sure if there was some judgment that prevented it now.

Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8603361
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by rex123
LOOK UP WHAT THE NEW CEO IS GETTING PAID COULD BE PART OF THE PROBLEM.


So... should we bail them out? Or let them fail?


let them fail

If only it was possible that the last paycheck anyone with a Cxx after their name ever collected from that company was the one they got last pay day.

like to cut some cords on those golden parachutes.


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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8603756
04/26/26 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert H. Bork Jr.
If news reports are correct that the Trump administration plans to rescue Spirit Airlines in return for up to 90% equity in the company, passengers may soon be boarding a carrier that is basically government-owned. Will the renewed airline be decked out with a gold-leaf interior?

Call it a bailout if you like, or dress it up as a “temporary intervention.” A controlling federal stake in a private airline is something new in America. Yet it won’t be the first time political power has merged with private enterprise. If the Spirit Airlines takeover happens (as seems likely), it will only be this administration’s latest adventure in state capitalism.

Across multiple sectors, the Trump administration has mixed public money with private markets in ways that would have once been unthinkable in the U.S. The federal government has taken a minority stake in Intel. It has claimed a “golden share” in U.S. Steel. It has extracted revenue streams from Nvidia and AMD. It has shaped corporate strategy through tariffs, subsidies and regulatory favoritism—rewarding firms that align with political priorities or promise domestic investment.

At times, Washington has behaved less like a regulator and more like a corporate director. President Trump has demanded the removal of executives, including the CEO of Intel and even a Netflix board member. This isn’t neutral governance. It’s political direction of private enterprise.

We got a taste of this during the Obama administration’s ill-fated dalliance with the failed solar-energy company Solyndra. The history of that debacle offers a warning. Solyndra received more than $500 million in federal loans, only to go belly up. Like nations that have subsidized failing and inferior national airlines, the Trump administration will learn that politicized capital allocation distorts markets, misprices risk and often causes beneficiaries to fail. This happens because investment decisions become driven by political calculations rather than by efficiency or consumer demand.

Mr. Trump has moved Washington past setting the rules of the market to steering its outcomes. This is likely to backfire. The same federal government that may soon own Spirit played a decisive role in undermining its last viable path to independent survival.

Long before this year’s geopolitical shocks and fuel-price volatility, Spirit was already in decline. Revenue was down. Its stock price, once above $80 a share, collapsed to 47 cents by early 2025. The company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in November 2024.

This downward spiral wasn’t inevitable. Spirit’s decline was accelerated, if not sealed, by the Biden Justice Department’s aggressive antitrust campaign against a proposed $3.8 billion acquisition by JetBlue. That deal would have allowed Spirit to scale, improve service and compete more effectively against the dominant legacy carriers.

Even the presiding judge, William Young, acknowledged the merger’s potential benefits. It would, he noted, bring needed competition to American, Delta, Southwest and United. But he ultimately blocked the deal on the theory that Spirit’s ultralow-cost model exerted downward pressure on fares. “Spirit is a small airline,” Judge Young wrote. “But there are those who love it. To those dedicated customers of Spirit, this one’s for you.”

The airline was denied the opportunity to evolve through a private-sector solution. Denied access to JetBlue’s advantages, Spirit collapsed. Now, the proposed solution is a government takeover.

This is how state capitalism takes root—not in a single dramatic leap, but through a series of interventions. First, regulators block private adaptation. Then policymakers step in to “repair” the damage they created. The result is a system in which government both creates market failures and claims the authority and ability to resolve them.

If the Spirit deal proceeds, the federal government will be validating a new model of political control over private enterprise—one in which Washington decides which companies survive, how they operate, and who pays the price. (Spoiler alert: If you’re a taxpayer, you do.) So buckle up. It’s going to be a bumpy ride.

Mr. Bork is president of the Antitrust Education Project.


Emphasis my own.

Link to article (which you should be able to read even without a WSJ account) - https://www.wsj.com/opinion/spirit-...FJ&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8606646
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Just wanted to update this to note that thankfully the bailout did not occur. The bondholders did not accept the government's offers, and instructed the board to liquidate the company. It, rightfully, was allowed to fail and ceased operations today.

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlin...6D&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8606663
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The fact that the government attempted it is just a look into the future. Not a fan of what the government tried to do.The only thing the government is finically good at is excessively spending our tax dollars. Trump should stick to running are government the way it was designed to operate. If wants to run businesses he should use his own money on his own time. Looks like an attempt to expand government not shrink it.

Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8606677
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I think it turned out the way it should have.

Yotetrapper, for some reason, your WSJ links often fail on my end. I subscribe to the Wall Street Journal and have already read the articles mentioned in this thread, but if I click your links to go back there, I generally get the error shown. Any insight? I have come to expect results like that if I am in Firefox, but I just tested the last one in Microsoft Edge and got the same result.

[Linked Image]

Again, I can just sign into my WSJ account and find it, but it's a mystery I wouldn't mind solving. It's convenient to click on a link for the topic at hand.


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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8606686
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I don't know Patrice. I share the link of the "gifted unlocked article" so that those who do not have accounts can read it. Or at least that was my intent. If I just pasted the link regularly, I figured no one could read it that did not subscribe.

Can anyone that does NOT have a WSJ account click on the link and see if it works for them?


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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8606701
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I don't know Patrice. I share the link of the "gifted unlocked article" so that those who do not have accounts can read it. Or at least that was my intent. If I just pasted the link regularly, I figured no one could read it that did not subscribe.

Can anyone that does NOT have a WSJ account click on the link and see if it works for them?


It opens but after a time had a pop up that blocks 80% of the screen to join. If you want you can still scroll the artical behind the pop up and attempt to read it in the 20% space.

Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8606702
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I just tried your new link. It takes me to WSJ but after a few seconds I get a pop-up wanting me to register or subscribe to read the article.


Eh...wot?

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The gov shouldn'tt be bailing any company out as long as the government has debt

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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: Jingles] #8606710
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Thanks, Angela. I might just be special. laugh


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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8606722
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Thanks. Sounds like it's not giving the gifted article anyways. Guess I'll just stop posting WSJ links altogether.


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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8606732
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Grilling him a steak right now, so hush lol.


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Re: Too.....Small?......to Fail? [Re: yotetrapper30] #8606766
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Sas part for those employees is JetBlue tried to merge with spirit during bidens administration but it was blocked by regulators.

It's possible that spirit would have dragged jet blue down


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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Sas part for those employees is JetBlue tried to merge with spirit during bidens administration but it was blocked by regulators.

It's possible that spirit would have dragged jet blue down


Sure, but it still should have been a risk that Jet Blue was allowed to take. But of course you know that.


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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Sas part for those employees is JetBlue tried to merge with spirit during bidens administration but it was blocked by regulators.

It's possible that spirit would have dragged jet blue down


Sure, but it still should have been a risk that Jet Blue was allowed to take. But of course you know that.


Or it could have made them both profitable consolidating. But they didnt get the chance or choice.

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