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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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Yesterday at 02:45 PM
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Everyone and anyone can participate in the capital markets/capitalism,,,, nothing holding anyone back
Nothing has lifted more people out of poverty than capitalism/capital markets
Everyone has benefited from it
Full stop!!!
What OB is missing,,,,,,is GOVERNMENT DEBT
Government debt(bail outs, stimulus, etc) is at all time highs across much of the world
Eventually it will crash every thing down,,,,,
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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Yesterday at 05:45 PM
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But.... but... but..... the stock market is at all time highs so bailouts must be good.........
There's gonna be a lot of people in a world of hurt when this house of cards comes tumbling down. Admittedly, probably myself as well, but at least I can see the risk and won't be blindsided when it comes.
Gotta find a way, a better way, I'd better wait
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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Yesterday at 05:49 PM
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Donnersurvivor
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I agree spjones but I would add taxation to something holding people back but that goes hand in hand with debt. People have no idea how much they pay in taxes as most of them are "hidden", sales tax, payroll tax, property tax affecting their rent, etc
Chief of staff @ Mensa Tree division/vison officer
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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Yesterday at 05:50 PM
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Stock market is all time high. Unemployment is an close to an all time low. You still seem to be wanting to talk theory when we have actual data and Im not sure I understand why. The market is not the only measure of a healthy economy. You have married 30 year Olds working full time jobs and they can't afford a house, they're putting off having kids, they worry about an accident or disease bankrupting them with medical debt but all they hear is "economy is great, look at the market!" Coming from a legion of boomers who grew up during the most prosperous economic time in world history Let me correct you...you have 30 year olds that buy $8 coffees on their way to work, get home and turn on their $150 a month cable TV, go out to eat 3 times a week, go to the movies or honkey tonk every weekend, drive $700+ a month brand new status symbol vehicles, pay someone else $80 to change there oil because they dont know how or are too lazy......the list goes on. Young folk cant afford housing because they are pee poor with their finances and cant decipher between wants and needs.... rant over
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: midlander]
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Yesterday at 10:58 PM
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Let me correct you...you have 30 year olds that buy $8 coffees on their way to work, get home and turn on their $150 a month cable TV, go out to eat 3 times a week, go to the movies or honkey tonk every weekend, drive $700+ a month brand new status symbol vehicles, pay someone else $80 to change there oil because they dont know how or are too lazy......the list goes on. Young folk cant afford housing because they are pee poor with their finances and cant decipher between wants and needs.... rant over
Do you really believe the only thing holding young people back from home ownership is $8 coffees and cable TV? Do you think the prospects for the average up and coming 20/30 year Olds are equal or better than the boomers had it?
Chief of staff @ Mensa Tree division/vison officer
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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Yesterday at 10:59 PM
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Let me correct you...you have 30 year olds that buy $8 coffees on their way to work, get home and turn on their $150 a month cable TV, go out to eat 3 times a week, go to the movies or honkey tonk every weekend, drive $700+ a month brand new status symbol vehicles, pay someone else $80 to change there oil because they dont know how or are too lazy......the list goes on. Young folk cant afford housing because they are pee poor with their finances and cant decipher between wants and needs.... rant over
Do you really believe the only thing holding young people back from home ownership is $8 coffees and cable TV? Do you think the prospects for the average up and coming 20/30 year Olds are equal or better than the boomers had it? Honestly I believe they are better. Other than the housing thing right now...... but I think that will eventually improve some.... but not a lot. There is only so much land available......
Gotta find a way, a better way, I'd better wait
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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That 8 dollar coffee is a symptom of poor money management. Do you really think that is their only wasteful spending practice?
Steve WTA NRA
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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Houses are easier to buy today than when Carter was president. Much easier. People are being brainwashed into thinking that first home purchase is not possible.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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“ Capitalism only works if it has controlling factors” is false
“Controls” are the problem and bring cronyism,over regulation,barriers, etc
They create more problems and cause unintended consequences like what caused the GFC I read that comment of his, started to reply, and then figured it's just not worth it. With so-called conservatives with the mindset of OW and OB, it's no wonder this country is in the shape it's in. SMH. Since when have conservatives been proponents of the free market? The uniparty is alive and well.
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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gcs demand sets price. if kids are leaving its a good thing
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2026/05/full-51451-292740-g6yjvbi.png) It's not $8 coffees. Edit- graph may be hard to read but the red bar is price adjusted for inflation
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: gcs]
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Depends where you are....starter homes here are 700 - 800g, nice 3 bedrooms are hovering just under a million, new larger homes 1 1/2 - 2 mill plus. it's insane and the reason locals are selling out and the kids have to move to a lower cost state....
it seems money has no value to some people...where they got their money is a mystery.... That’s the same thing I’m seeing here in Southeast Pennsylvania. Housing prices are insane. A buddy recently sold his house prior to moving to Florida. He bought it 20 years ago for $200,000. He sold it for $420,000. When he first listed it, I told him there’s no way you’re ever going to get that. It’s just a three bedroom ranch on a decent lot. Within a month it was sold.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Trump Capitalism?
[Re: Dirt]
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If you have free market capitalism you would be able to live in a creation of your own not subject to zoning and building codes. Most people could figure out how to build their shack. Lived in a place like this for 35 years. It is your neighbors/builders/government that would not tolerate this freedom. You are stuck in the housing industrial complex.  There is a lot of truth in this statement. Some years ago, special interest groups were lobbying lawmakers to require sprinkler systems to be installed in all new residential construction. It would’ve added an insane amount of cost to a typical new home. A bill was introduced, but luckily, it was defeated, but only narrowly.
Eh...wot?
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