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Do Capitalist Support... #8635279
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Re: Do Capitalist Support... [Re: J Staton] #8635302
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I read this twice and am still not sure what I read. Is this referring to employers breaking immigration laws in order to employ cheap employees? If so why in the world would anyone support it?

Re: Do Capitalist Support... [Re: J Staton] #8635303
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I guess it depends on what form of capitalism you prefer. It's definitely not in supported in the pure libertarian free market capitalism as this would be more of a protectionist policy.



Re: Do Capitalist Support... [Re: yotetrapper30] #8635307
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I read this twice and am still not sure what I read. Is this referring to employers breaking immigration laws in order to employ cheap employees? If so why in the world would anyone support it?

One group supports cheap imported labor for profit purposes, the other group supports for the same reason plus creating a massive dependent voting bloc...



Re: Do Capitalist Support... [Re: J Staton] #8635335
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Ask your farmers what this is about -- h1b is anything but cheap, but it is the only way they can get somewhat reliable labor (experience not required). the main complaint that i have heard from the corporate farms that i deal with is that the regular workers are getting paid less than the h1b because of all the program requirements. One big farm i deal with was getting his h1b's from mexico but switched to getting them from s.africa. !st year fine, second year -- this crew damages alot of equipment. He is only bringing in 10 people for the irrigation crew and still has to follow all the ot laws of our messed up state as well as provide superior housing and insurance ----- BUT--- they show up to work.

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I am a capitalist. I do not support the government inserting itself into business in any way; including regulation of labor.

If theres no government program to exploit the problem doesn't exist in the first place.

Re: Do Capitalist Support... [Re: J Staton] #8635346
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Falsify Visa’s for labor. Nothing new. Just enforcing it now.

I suspect they will uncover quite a bit of it.

Re: Do Capitalist Support... [Re: yotetrapper30] #8635350
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I read this twice and am still not sure what I read. Is this referring to employers breaking immigration laws in order to employ cheap employees? If so why in the world would anyone support it?


sadly a lot more people are asking how to make a buck than how to make a buck ethically.

they are perfectly willing to hire a cheap and to them a disposable human if it means money in their pocket.

Back in the 90s when I was working construction the guy I worked for hired a sand blast crew to sand blast a pool. we did construction and built and worked on swimming pools.
now the guy I worked for was no ethics professor by any means , but disposable humans was too far for him.

we pulled in to check out the job before they left and they had just finished blasting and are shoveling the blasting media out of the bottom of the pool with nothing but a bandana on for PPE.

we were meeting the contractor hired to do the job so he had also just pulled up and was getting out of his truck , my boss raised the concern that they didn't have respirators on and the guys answer was don't worry about it they go back to Mexico every winter so we have no liability in it.
He preferred that they were here illegally that way he could work them with no fear that they could make a claim against his lack of any sort of safety gear.
he didn't care about them as humans at all they were a $ to him.

only time he ever hired that company.

lots of companies would prefer a cheap disposable work force.


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Re: Do Capitalist Support... [Re: J Staton] #8635353
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"Permanent Labor Certification (PERM)
A permanent labor certification issued by the Department of Labor (DOL) allows an employer to hire a foreign worker to work permanently in the United States. In most instances, before the U.S. employer can submit an immigration petition to the Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the employer must obtain a certified labor certification application from the DOL's Employment and Training Administration (ETA). The DOL must certify to the USCIS that there are not sufficient U.S. workers able, willing, qualified, and available to accept the job opportunity in the area of intended employment and that employment of the foreign worker will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of similarly employed U.S. workers.

The H-1B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as workers in specialty occupations or as fashion models of distinguished merit and ability. A specialty occupation is one that requires the application of a body of highly specialized knowledge and the attainment of at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent. The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States."

Department of Labor


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Re: Do Capitalist Support... [Re: J Staton] #8635356
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There's a lot of fake tech companies that are getting H1Bs so they can get people into the country fraudulently.



Re: Do Capitalist Support... [Re: H2ORat] #8635373
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
Ask your farmers what this is about -- h1b is anything but cheap, but it is the only way they can get somewhat reliable labor (experience not required). the main complaint that i have heard from the corporate farms that i deal with is that the regular workers are getting paid less than the h1b because of all the program requirements. One big farm i deal with was getting his h1b's from mexico but switched to getting them from s.africa. !st year fine, second year -- this crew damages alot of equipment. He is only bringing in 10 people for the irrigation crew and still has to follow all the ot laws of our messed up state as well as provide superior housing and insurance ----- BUT--- they show up to work.

I believe the H-1B visas are specifically intended for high-skill jobs (doctors, engineers, etc.). The companies hiring them are supposed to demonstrate that they can't fill the job with a qualified American. In practice, there are many Americans in the tech sector who can't find work while companies game the system to import H-1B workers from India.

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