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Baby Hitler #8639059
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I assume that we've all heard the philosophical query, "What if you could go back in time and....."

What I wonder is what about the sealed train 1917? Would you, if time traveling, deal with Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov?

If so, are we currently experiencing our own sealed train moment?

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My answer lies in another philosophical conundrum. If your child was dying but by pressing one button they will live, only that the button means a million chinamen must die.

I'd hammer the button.


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BTW, this isn't political, more of a question of what are you willing to do.


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No would not change a thing. The best intentions tend to have unintended consequences. Some much worse things may have resulted from the change.


Then again not being so hard on German after WW1 and not creating the hardships for German that set the stage for Hitler to gain power may have been a good idea.

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Going back in time is just wishful thinking and as my grandfather would say
Wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first


To your second question, I've said it before that I would burn the world for my loved ones

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It depends on the rules of time travel. If the butterfly effect was real, I wouldn't change anything in the past. I could stop existing, along with everyone else I know, love and like.

I don't care much for people dissimilar from me, that are unconnected to me. I would kill all of them with a button push to save the people I love.

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Good point on the butterfly effect.

Would it make things worse or maybe better but at the expense of all that we hold dear in this moment?

Maybe that is what restrains things in the current time frame? We can see a danger but refrain from acting not knowing the possible outcomes.

But then would it really matter if the change is the erasure of our own individual existance?


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
No would not change a thing. The best intentions tend to have unintended consequences. Some much worse things may have resulted from the change.


Then again not being so hard on German after WW1 and not creating the hardships for German that set the stage for Hitler to gain power may have been a good idea.



The truth is that the US was played badly by England and France after WW1 which set up Adolfs rise to power, take him out and that doesn’t change the circumstances that led to everything that happened, it just means someone else would step into his place maybe someone more competent and worse



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While we were dealt a bad deal by the UK and France just like they did to Italy and and the Arabs we had our own additions to that criminal farce in Versailles. Namely, the idiot in chief Wilson's foolish and dangerous nation building nonsense that gave us Alsace-Lorraine, the Sudetanland, Austria, and eventually Poland to start up the next shooting contest.

What is they say about the best of intentions?


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If Hitler would have solidified German control of an area, before adding another fighting front, he would likely have won. He overextended the German forces and their ability to resupply.

If the US stayed out of WWII, Hitler would likely have won too. Most of us were mostly German in the 1940s, many not long out of Germany at all. Hitler would have been smart to heavily court German Americans, to at least get them to not get involved.

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The turning point of that war was the battle of Britain.
The biggest mistake Hitler ever made.It was the beginning of the end for Hitler and his Facist thugs.
Big fat Goering and his luftwaffe could not hold a candle to the fighting spirit and skill of the Brits and Canadian airmen in the hurricanes and spitfires.
Watch the Thames series World at war.Some great footage.

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Originally Posted by Boco
The turning point of that war was the battle of Britain.
The biggest mistake Hitler ever made.It was the beginning of the end for Hitler and his Facist thugs.
Big fat Goering and his luftwaffe could not hold a candle to the fighting spirit and skill of the Brits and Canadian airmen in the hurricanes and spitfires.
Watch the Thames series World at war.Some great footage.


No it most definitely was not. The Battle of Britain was in 1940. It was a an important won battle, thanks to the Eagle Squadrons of American Volunteers including my grandfather's first cousin and first cousin once removed, Ace of Aces and One Man Air Force, Don Gentile. The American pilots, who did the heavy combat, were officially enlisted back into the US Air Force in 1941.

Hitler should have left Britain alone as much as possible, until his power was consolidated.

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Yes it certainly was as affirmed by all the scholars and historians.
And as usual the usa did not declare war on germany until 1941(battle of britain was in 1940),after they knew which way the war was going same as in ww1.

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This is getting hilarious.


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Originally Posted by Boco
Yes it certainly was as affirmed by all the scholars and historians.
And as usual the usa did not declare war on germany until 1941(battle of britain was in 1940),after they knew which way the war was going same as in ww1.


All scholars and historians??? Please name at least some than that thought the turning point of WWII was the Battle of Britain.

The US Eagle Squadron pilots, who did the expert heavy fighting, during the Battle of Britain, were the No. 71, No. 121, and No. 133. Their ground support crews were mostly British.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Yes it certainly was as affirmed by all the scholars and historians.
And as usual the usa did not declare war on germany until 1941(battle of britain was in 1940),after they knew which way the war was going same as in ww1.


Actually, Germany declared war on the U.S. and the Hitler's biggest mistake was Barbarossa.


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Only 6 american pilots flew in the battle of britain
Over 100 Canadian pilots flew in the battle of britain with 23 giving their lives in the effort.
Its all documented just google some references.


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Originally Posted by warrior
My answer lies in another philosophical conundrum. If your child was dying but by pressing one button they will live, only that the button means a million chinamen must die.


Can we only hit the button once?


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