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Re: Tesla Stock [Re: ColdspringKidd] #8641610
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Originally Posted by ColdspringKidd
Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
It's Saturday, son. I caught up on laundry today. You'd probably be better off if you invested in shares of Lonestar versus bottles of it. Just sayin'.


…. Ain’t this cute …. Ol gal trying to buck up in here

… you been watching clips of that strawberry blonde from yellerstone or what?

… you know that’s fictional right?


Of course I do!!! Who do you think Taylor called for tips on how to develop the character of Beth for prime time???? I didn't think I would need to explain. I know you're not the brightest bulb on the stolen cypress tree at Christmas but I still assumed you were cognizant enough to realize who that character was based on.......

Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8641611
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…. Typical woman…. I’ve got to head to the creek and wash the narcissism off my hands lol

…. Yep …. That just happened

Re: Tesla Stock [Re: ColdspringKidd] #8641612
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Originally Posted by ColdspringKidd
…. Typical woman…. I’ve got to head to the creek and wash the narcissism off my hands lol

…. Yep …. That just happened


Two compliments in one night? You really oughtn't spoil me this way. It might go to my head and inflate my ego........

Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8641902
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Musk Is Losing His Magic—and Tesla Is Paying the Price

By Al Root

Tesla’s post-earnings tumble was about something more ominous than an earnings miss: Its CEO, Elon Musk, is losing his golden touch.

There’s no way to sugarcoat it: Tesla’s second-quarter earnings report was lousy. Wednesday evening, Tesla announced a second-quarter operating profit of $398 million, down from $923 million a year ago and below Wall Street’s expectations for $1.7 billion, according to FactSet. Tesla missed by $1.3 billion even after selling some 480,000 cars—up 25%, almost 80,000 more than analysts projected—due to a combination of weaker pricing and weaker vehicle mix, lower regulatory credit sales, rising costs, and higher research spending.

The miss, however, is the least of Tesla’s problems. Whether to buy or sell the stock has never really been a decision based on fundamentals. It has always been a bet on the future and Musk’s ability to see it—and articulate it—more clearly than anyone else. But with shares down 14% after the release, the worry is that the market has started to doubt his foresight.

“Investors are losing patience in hype followed by a lack of follow-through,” says Future Fund co-founder Gary Black.

And there was plenty of hype on the earnings conference call, despite Musk sounding subdued, mentioning he was under the weather. The robo-taxi business continues to see a “very high compound growth rate,” and robots will still be the “biggest product ever,” he said.

The mercurial CEO even introduced a potential new business: The Megapod, essentially a small, modular artificial-intelligence data center with Tesla hardware doing much of the computing.

We’re working on what we believe is the most ambitious buildout of advanced infrastructure manufacturing capacity ever in history,” he said.

Wall Street doesn’t seem too worried. No analysts upgraded or downgraded shares in the immediate aftermath of the quarter, while the average price target dropped just $8 to $392, according to FactSet. That means the earnings “miss” was worth about $30 billion in market value, or less than 2% of the $1.8 trillion the Street believes Tesla should be valued at.

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The analyst community also seems united in the view that Tesla is spending more now to make more down the road, and that higher spending typically squeezes profitability. Phrases like “working through a business transition,” “accelerating Capex cycle necessary,” and the potential for “a transformational year” are scattered throughout reports. RBC analyst Tom Narayan, for one, is excited about the opportunity in robo-taxis and humanoid robots, while saying that nothing is “fundamentally wrong with the business.”

Still, the stock dropped by about seven times the price target decline on Thursday, a sign that investor confidence is starting to wane. That would be an enormous change. Musk’s great gift has always been the ability to get credit for potential, and it’s a big reason Tesla stock trades for roughly 175 times 2026 earnings while the rest of the Magnificent Seven trade for an average of 24 times.

Musk also runs SpaceX, the only trillion-dollar company ever valued north of 40 times sales. His vision matters to valuation, and losing the Musk premium is the biggest risk to Tesla stock. (Shares would be closer to $20 if Tesla were valued like Toyota Motor. Of course, Toyota doesn’t operate AI data centers.)

The valuation is already saying that investors are paying less attention to vehicle deliveries and more attention to whether high-margin software, autonomy, power, and eventually robot revenue arrive quickly enough to offset structurally lower auto margins,” says Bill Birmingham, managing director at Rex Shares.

The solution is easy: Musk needs to show results. He has done so in the past. Tesla has sold almost 10 million electric vehicles over its history, and 1.5 million people pay for the company’s Full Self Driving, or FSD, driver-assistance product. SpaceX, for its part, has reusable rockets and a broadband business generating billions in annual profits. But he has also had his misses. In 2023, he suggested that Tesla would sell 20 million cars annually by 2030, a number that looks well out of reach.

To restore balance to the Musk-verse, Tesla needs more robo-taxis more than operating income right now, or humanoid robots that will become the next high-margin revenue stream—something, anything, that will restore Musk’s narrative-shaping power to full strength.

“We have walked this Tesla tightrope before,” says Canaccord analyst George Gianarikas. He still rates Tesla stock Buy, though his price target did drop by $40 to $410 after earnings. “History has taught us, betting against Elon Musk is usually a fool’s errand.”

Shareholders better hope history repeats.

Write to Al Root at allen.root@dowjones.com

https://www.barrons.com/articles/te...EW&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8641907
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….nobody’s gonna read all that

Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8641946
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I read it all )) and I found the comments to be equally as enlightening as the article itself.

Particularly this one.

"All of Musk's companies combined, over all of their history, have produced about $30B in earnings. That's less than half the Google profit from 1Q26. Google has innovated and seen the future (pageRank, Transformer architecture, TPUs, advertising, chrome, Android, live traffic/directions, kubernetes, mapReduce, gmail, alphaGo, alphaFold, earth, Waymo, etc.) a lot better than Musk has."


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Re: Tesla Stock [Re: yotetrapper30] #8641960
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by white17

They remind me of INTC & CSCO back in 1997-2000. Just laying back thinking their reputation will carry them for years. I don't think that will happen.



INTC and CSCO are still around.....

I am in NO WAY indicating I think IBM is my #1 pick as a growth stock! More of a value stock with significant growth potential IF the stars align.

But I think the claim they'll be defunct in a decade is ludicrous.


Yep but both INTC and CSCO are mere shadows of themselves. CSCO has become a supplier of little gadgets. Essentially a commodity company rather than the cutting edge tech company it was 30 years ago. The data center boom is keeping it afloat.
As for INTC.......the jury is still out on that one. Losing gobs of money every day. I will not be surprised to see INTC file for bankruptcy in a few years or put itself up for sale. Someone like AMD or even TSM might be interested in some of their real estate and fab hardware. But they are so far behind that even IBM has a better outlook than INTC.......IMHO


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Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8641984
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Musk(and his companies) are a bet on the future,,,

Most of the profits are reinvested into R-D

Nothing wrong with google, it’s also a great company

with a monopoly on ad revenue,,,extremely profitable

The amount of headline(click grabbing) articles over the years negative on musk is huge,,,,

And yet he continues to innovate

A tally on how much money people have lost betting against musk would be interesting

Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8642000
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I wanted in on spcx ipo bad. So did alot of others. Moved a stack of chips over and for some reason or another those trades didn't execute and I didn't get the IPO. It was up 30% pretty quick and then would have been a good time to drop it. Tesla is interesting too. I think its amazing that he plans to make Tesla work like and automated uber fleet, not just sell you an electric car. Lots of reading to do on Tesla. Those are some interesting companies for the future for sure but IMO there seems to be better plays out there at the moment. I currently personally can't stop reading about gold and silver. Seems like a tech dip coming. I'll be more interested in buying spcx and tesla after a clear tech dip not before. Or just see how it shakes out.

The quote I heard that stuck with me was why would you buy spcx when there are 5,000 other companies out there you can research and compare history with and have historical data for? Which is why I planned to cash in on the initial spike.

Im watching what other central banks are doing. Im watching whats going on in Japan. I watching whats going on with the Petro dollar / stable coins. Im watching the Iran war / the straight. Other straights. Gulf of america / oil / texas. Inflation rates / iterest rates. Manufacturing output numbers. Where institutional money is flowing.

Oils going up up up IMO. Crazy times. If anyone has any great ideas or strong feelings another way please speak up.

Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8642009
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You all are right about the fundamentals, but hype swings the market more than anything else. Assuming that you trade out when you are ahead and do not just hold a stock for the heck of it......jk


Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free. What's supposed to be ain't always is. Hopper Hunter
Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8642064
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"We are 1,000% going to go bankrupt as a country and fail as a country, without AI and robots," he said (1). "Nothing else will solve the national debt."

Elon

My patriotic duty to buy tech stocks. smile


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Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8642082
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Hormel stock has been dormant for years and is now less than $25 per share (Muslims and Pork ? )


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Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8642085
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I'd rather own Nvidia at these levels.


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Re: Tesla Stock [Re: trapperkeck] #8642115
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Isn't Nvidia supplying the AI scheme with the GPUs? Seems it is all interrelated?


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Re: Tesla Stock [Re: corky] #8642123
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Originally Posted by corky
I'd rather own Nvidia at these levels.



Looks like today is a good opportunity to put that on.


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Re: Tesla Stock [Re: white17] #8642126
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by corky
I'd rather own Nvidia at these levels.



Looks like today is a good opportunity to put that on.

I hope you are right. Picked up another 200 shares.


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I hope so too !


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