I could never be manipulated that way. That rare earth mine will open any day here now to defeat those communist.

The US has an abundance of natural gas. Many of the data centers will use gas fired electrical generation. Buy ET, EPD, ONEOK etc and watch the dividends roll in.

Depends which flavor,,,, and where the components come from

The people subsidizing this with their electric bills

OK, how do we do this? By pushing for more federal or state laws and regulations against private enterprise? When we already have so many of those that most of our manufacturing has fled overseas?

Wouldn't it make more sense to address this issue on a local level? To go to your town/county board meetings and demand that any companies building data centers must pay for any additional infrastructure needed to support the center? That would not result in any more law needless laws. The company could choose to pay for the required infrastructure, or choose a more hospitable town/county to build in...... seems as thought that would be a win/win for those opposed to data centers on the basis of energy/water costs?

I am on my county P & Z board and we just recommended to our commissioners to put in place a 12 month or less if need as we are just redoing our comprehensive plan and zoning regulations. I just retired so I am doing a lot of research on Data and AI centers. My thoughts so far is that they are a necessary possible evil needed component or our ever expanding and growing modern technology we use and enjoy as a society. I am impressed with the T Man crew in the way many have responded to this thread and stated their thoughts without a lot of non- factual comments. If I remember right we now have over 4,600 data centers in the USA already, some fairly big some pretty small. The older ones do use a lot of water to cool but the newer ones to be built in the future are looking at ways to curb the water use and still cool the equipment. With the technology we have now the data and AI centers will still needs massive amounts of electricity. I have talked with the Nebraska Public Power District and they are confident the electrical needs can and will be met. Either by our public power system here in Nebraska or by the centers building their own power plants.

The question of if we need them or not seems to be pointing in the direction of YES we do need them to keep with the pace of our demand of using the webb. Just about everything we do on the webb ... on our PCs or on our phones goes thru servers and equipment in these centers. Trillions and Trillions of bytes of information travels thru the webb, thru countless servers all over the globe to do our business ..... and that is all in less than a milli second. There is potential for much good..... and at the same time alot of bad. If they are not built here they will be built somewhere. Some say (I have found out in my research) that China is planting false information to get many people turned against the data centers here in the states that way they will get the opportunity to build and operate a majority of them. I have been told by many grain buyers that China has for years started rumors or false information to maneuver the grain market before they purchase grain. I don't know if the way we are heading is a good thing or if it will destroy mankind. In just about anything we do. But can we stop it... because in my opinion we are the drivers behind the need for Data and AI centers. Technology use keeps growing and unless you live under a rock you are part of it.

Why don't the data centers provide their own power? I provide mine. The

Siemens Energy SGT5-9000HL is currently the most powerful heavy-duty gas turbine for the 50-Hz market, with a capacity of 593 MW.


Buy a couple of these babies and no line loses or transmission line expenses.

Because the NIMBY crew sues/fights them. Spend 20 minutes reading about Musk and Memphis TN / Southaven MS.

Nimby's are part of doin business in the U.S.

Data centers will use natural gas to generate power on site. Buy ET, etc.

Your whole post was good....but I want to draw attention to this line.

We CAN stop the advance of AI / data centers. It's not hard.

You'll need to pack some stuff from the house to your shooting range.

Pack up your TV, all phones in the house, your smart watches and fitness trackers, your dogs tracking and training collars, your smart appliances, your alexas, your rokus, your tablets, laptops, PCs and any other computing devices, your security cameras, your baby monitors, etc.....

Take them out to the range and using some tannerite if need be.... blast them to bits.

Then go to the bank and take out any money you might have there. Close out your brokerage accounts, IRAs, 401ks, 429s, any ANYTHING crypto and convert it all into paper money or precious metals.

On the way home, use that money to buy a lot more tannerite...

Once you get home, use the tannerite to demolish any cars/trucks/boats/ATVS/etc. made after 1990.

OH and file a legal document refusing to allow any computing technology (MRI, CT, Xray, radiation, etc) medical devices to ever be used on you.

If the majority of the people in the US would do this... there would be no more AI or data centers.....

I don't disagree. But so is negotiating with townships/counties. If the local government is more amenable than the NIMBYs and willing to supply "free" power.... what business owner in their right mind wouldn't take that offer?

Governments are going to supply free power? They going to get it free from the power fairy?

I guess you missed the quotations. I thought your reading comprehension was better than that!

If this is so critical to national defense that China will enslave us without it then it seems prudent to make regulations that favor that urgent and pressing need. I mean of its truly that critical maybe we should.considsr nationalizing them...

Why not build Data centers everywhere, I mean billionaires love Data centers and we need to keep our billionaires happy right.
They love Data centers so much that we might be able to convince them that Data centers are more fun than making love to small children.
I mean, we should at least try right. What could possibly go wrong


Some of you just can't see past the convenience of having a computer make your life easier and it is sad

I know blaa blaa blaa CHINA CHINA blaa blaa blaa blaa CHINA CHINA

For those in favor of Data centers, have at least an extra $100 a week taken out of your pay and have it sent to the billionaire of your choice.
Better yet, sign over your house and land and maybe even your first born to them
Why even stop there, you could donate yourself to them as a personal foot servant

Who needs a personal space and privacy when we have Data centers
What could go wrong

Boycotting the internet would be a good first step


Instead of ranting on it,,,,

Geez!! And you say women shouldn't be allowed to vote!