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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 07:55 AM
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For those in favor of Data centers, have at least an extra $100 a week taken out of your pay and have it sent to the billionaire of your choice.
I do exactly that. As does anyone with a 401k.
Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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08/15/26 10:00 AM
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Just saw a video, in California and some other states you can request data a company has on file from you. McDonald's has 500+ pages of profile data on its customers, this is what we urgently need data centers for apparently
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:06 AM
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For those in favor of Data centers, have at least an extra $100 a week taken out of your pay and have it sent to the billionaire of your choice.
I do exactly that. As does anyone with a 401k. You know exactly what I meant
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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08/15/26 10:10 AM
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Sure I did. It just doesn't make sense. Everyone hates big business but you never hear them complaining about their retirement accounts soaring........
Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:22 AM
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Can you be against the government subsidizing and owning big business and not be a hater of big business? Only problem I have with any of this. Let's not pretend we have free enterprise when politicians are picking winners with OPM. Not that this is a new occurrence, just seems to me more common in the era of 40% of GDP is government spending.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:23 AM
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Sure I did. It just doesn't make sense. Everyone hates big business but you never hear them complaining about their retirement accounts are soaring........ Soaring on strong fundamentals and long term sustainable returns right?
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:25 AM
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Can you be against the government subsidizing and owning big business and not be a hater of big business? Only problem I have with any of this. Let's not pretend we have free enterprise when politicians are picking winners with OPM. Not that this is a new occurrence, just seems to me more common in the era of 40% of GDP is government spending. I don't think you understand, if we don't enrich a few well connected corporations we will become china's slaves
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:26 AM
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Can you be against the government subsidizing and owning big business and not be a hater of big business? Only problem I have with any of this. Let's not pretend we have free enterprise when politicians are picking winners with OPM. Not that this is a new occurrence, just seems to me more common in the era of 40% of GDP is government spending. Absolutely. I think you know I am very much against government subsidies and government ownership of private businesses. Sure I did. It just doesn't make sense. Everyone hates big business but you never hear them complaining about their retirement accounts are soaring........ Soaring on strong fundamentals and long term sustainable returns right? Of course not, at least for the most part. (That IS true for some). But mostly soaring on optimism..... for AI........ and data centers lol.
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:29 AM
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Not to change the subject but I still don't know what datacenters/AI are going to do that is so critical we can't do without them. Seems like a lot of effort to get a medical diagnosis that trained professionals rarely miss.
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:34 AM
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That's why they should put generation on site and not get it off the government subsidized grid. As Kansas Cat has said there is plenty of natural gas in America currently provided by the private sector.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:35 AM
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True/ actual “free enterprise” ended in the late 30’s-40’s when western governments adopted Keynesian economics,,,
Big government/welfare/social security/etc
It’s been all downhill since then,,,, and rapidly increasing
,,,,,,Actually there’s a serious legit argument that it really all began to go downhill with the creation of the federal reserve/ central banks
The two work/fail in tandem
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Re: Data centers?
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Not to change the subject but I still don't know what datacenters/AI are going to do that is so critical we can't do without them. Seems like a lot of effort to get a medical diagnosis that trained professionals rarely miss. You can't see the benefit of 500 page profiles on each McDonald's customer?
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:36 AM
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Not to change the subject but I still don't know what datacenters/AI are going to do that is so critical we can't do without them. Seems like a lot of effort to get a medical diagnosis that trained professionals rarely miss. I don't believe they are. The shift is going to away from having your own mainframe to using one over the internut. In the end I believe it will be a subscription scheme like Cable T.V.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:39 AM
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Have you done any reading, Danny, on AI and the military? On topics such as surveillance or autonomous weapons?
How many Americans have died or been permanently disabled doing scouting work for the military over the years that can now be done entirely by AI?
Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 10:53 AM
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"What is the Stargate Project? The Stargate Project is a large-scale, public-private initiative focused on developing the physical and digital infrastructure needed to power next-generation artificial intelligence (AI). Structured as Stargate LLC, a Delaware-based joint venture, the project brings together various stakeholders to coordinate the largest AI infrastructure buildout in US history. With an initial USD 100 billion investment led by SoftBank—and total commitments expected to reach USD 500 billion over four years—Stargate is designed to position the US at the forefront of AI development through unmatched scale, computing power and capital alignment. The Stargate Project was announced at the White House alongside President Donald Trump and senior administration officials. It aims to build out a nationwide network of advanced AI data centers, starting with a flagship facility in Abilene, Texas. It’s important to note that the Stargate Project is not affiliated with Project Stargate, the CIA’s defunct psychic research program of similar name, nor the science fiction series it inspired. This version is grounded firmly in data, energy and capital—not clairvoyance or wormholes." Source: IBM now a public- private initiative. 
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Re: Data centers?
[Re: danny clifton]
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08/15/26 11:00 AM
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Some companies are producing their independent electricity for data centers,,,
Not sure what the percentage is,,,,,
Didn’t Microsoft buy(sign a deal???) for 3mile island to produce electricity?
Good question for AI,,,, lol
There’s plenty trying to jump through the endless regulation loops
The number will only grow,,,,
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 11:20 AM
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That's why they should put generation on site and not get it off the government subsidized grid. As Kansas Cat has said there is plenty of natural gas in America currently provided by the private sector. Shouldn't we be complaining about the fact that the grid is subsidized to begin with? I'm certainly not opposed to on-site generation. I am also not opposed to use of the grid IF the affected states/counties/municipalities reach an agreement amenable to both sides.......
Regret is the one thing I just won't do ~~ Beth Dutton
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 11:31 AM
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I thought that was what we were complaining about when the democrats were in charge?
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Re: Data centers?
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08/15/26 12:26 PM
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Not to change the subject but I still don't know what datacenters/AI are going to do that is so critical we can't do without them. Seems like a lot of effort to get a medical diagnosis that trained professionals rarely miss. For me thats like says we can do everything with out computers or any other modern technological advancement. Sure we can and we did but we were a whole less effective and efficient. Which ultimately slows down our economical growth which hurts us greatly. As a whole its easy to be against change, especially when you arent informed and ive been there before. For those against businesses making money im guessing its mostly a jealousy, victim mentality thing and id suggest you jump on board with them and make money alongside them and then give all your profits away to other victims since its a bad thing. Ive been learning about AI and the economy the last 3 months or so and have to admit i have and still are a bit ignorant about it all but my eyes have been opened up to the importance of economic growth. Is all the policies of our government that effect that perfect? No but ill tell you if we stop as a nation trying to be the strongest nation economically it wont be too many generations and we will be a second or third world country. Two most important things for a country to be powerful are its economy and it military. Study on it some so your not ignorant like me. And if you dont like AI dont use it and go get a library card.
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