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Re: some basics, from those who paid the price... [Re: white marlin] #8649142
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We produce a ghog gland lure, paste and fluid type. Been using it for many years. Very effective on ghog and predators. Most all your canines and felines will take ghogs if given the opportunity.

A very favorite food source for fox and coyote. In fact so much, some areas around here have very few ghogs any more.

Many have moved closer to structures in an attempt to survive. Much like the red fox have done over the years once the coyotes moved into the area.

Re: some basics, from those who paid the price... [Re: bearcat2] #8649146
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Originally Posted by bearcat2
All animals have anal glands, not all species react the same to gland lures, however. Not sure what sort of reaction a groundhog gland lure would illicit.



I'm not sure either. Around here ground hogs are kinda rare. The coyotes nearly wiped em' out. But the ground hog learned he has a much better chance to survive living close to us humans. Now we have the problem of Mr ground hog living under our sheds and outbuildings. To the predator around here Mr ground hog is a luxury treat and I want to capitalize on it. Mr Jamison ground hog urine is going to be a huge help I hope along with the glands.

Re: some basics, from those who paid the price... [Re: Bob Jameson] #8649149
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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
We produce a ghog gland lure, paste and fluid type. Been usin it for many years. Very effective on ghog and predators. Most all your canines and felines will take ghogs if given the opportunity.

A very favorite food source for fox and coyote. In fact so much, some areas around here have very few ghogs any more.

Many have moved closer to structures in an attempt to survive. Much like the red fox have done over the years once the coyotes moved into the area.


I believe it will work very similar here in Eastern Tennessee. Back in the 80's ground hogs lived in the middle of our Hayfields. Believe me, when you run into one mowing hay your going to know it. Late 80's early 90's coyotes moved in and about wiped em' out.

Re: some basics, from those who paid the price... [Re: white marlin] #8649170
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If a critter eats something does it mean that its smell has a high level of attraction when it comes to trapping formulations?

Re: some basics, from those who paid the price... [Re: white marlin] #8649212
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Sure does. It can be an important asset as a stand alone or as a side odor benefit.

Re: some basics, from those who paid the price... [Re: Tatiana] #8649222
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Originally Posted by Tatiana
It's enlightening to understand the anatomy, function and evolutionary origin of scent-producing organs, as well as the basic chemistry of the excretions themselves. Some glands are pretty specialized and actually produce specialized substances, such as muskrat glands (called Beer and Meyer organs), which produce big ring molecules of 17 carbon atoms (a musk related to ambrettolide). Other glands basically produce a mixture of fats, mucus and shed cells of the internal lining, but the bacteria that live in them ferment and break down those primary excretions into smellier substances (fatty acids, ketones, ...). This is how anal glands work. And anal glands are modified sebaceous (skin grease) glands
Cats mark territory not just with urine, but also with their faces (i.e. sweat glands).

Castors are interesting, they're anatomically very different from most other odor-producing glands and seem to mostly serve as a backup excretory system to support the kidneys, to help beavers deal with the specialized diet with a lot of tannins, flavonoids, various resins, etc. in the bark. They seem to be less affected by the hormonal differences between males and females than the secretions of the anal glands, so a plausible assumption is that while castor excretions mark the presence of beavers as such, the majority of information about sex and age comes from anal gland markings.

There's a lot of freely and not very freely available research on these subjects (morphology and chemistry of scent signals of mammals), mostly published in the 50's through 80's, it may not be directly applicable to luremaking but I've found it pretty educational, just for overall understanding of how animal smells work...


plus there are tons of other behaviors connected with smells... rolling in pee, marking members of the group with excretions or pee, self-anointing, ...

again, I'm no expert and I'll never have a chance to apply most of what I know. I'm just curious...


Thanks for all the information. Animal scent is an extremely deep subject. Honeybees for example, the guard bees put off the alarm pheromones and look out. A worker honey bee enters the wrong hive with the scent of a different queen she's killed instantly. In the predator world it's very similar. After coyote pairing a lone male from an unfamiliar pack comes around most likely will be at best ran off. Gland lure and urine is so important.

BTW the heat index around here today is 105+, my scent profile is off the charts from working on a tractor. About all creatures have some sort of scent.

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Re: some basics, from those who paid the price... [Re: white marlin] #8649226
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Odor recognition of a ghog gland formula to a predator is an excellent bait / lure I have found over the years. It isn't discussed much probably due to the fact that it isn't used alot or considered by many or they don't wish to share the info. Now that the cat is out of the bag, others will be trying it out most likely. When I have two sets out side by side, 10 ft or so, I always catch on the ghog lure first. Just my experience.

Re: some basics, from those who paid the price... [Re: Bob Jameson] #8649242
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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
Odor recognition of a ghog gland formula to a predator is an excellent bait / lure I have found over the years. It isn't discussed much probably due to the fact that it isn't used alot or considered by many or they don't wish to share the info. Now that the cat is out of the bag, others will be trying it out most likely. When I have two sets out side by side, 10 ft or so, I always catch on the ghog lure first. Just my experience.


I think it’s over looked because folks often chase magic in a bottle or try to get too complicated with the smells. I believe specifically in any dirt hole style set, especially bigger holes, canines associate the visual of the hole with a familiarity of the smell. In combination with a slight taint on a ghog bait, or alone, from what I’ve observed they seem to be less apprehensive on their approach with a higher confidence to investigate the hole/set due to the natural scene (expired ghog, rabbit, skunk in its hole, or ) set in front of them with minimal foreign odors. Can’t make any of the shows this year so I enjoy hearing the experiences here other areas have when incorporating a less commonly spoken about animal into the mix!

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Re: some basics, from those who paid the price... [Re: white marlin] #8649336
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Another idea I'm thinking about. Around here bobcats are usually in the woods. If they are out of the woods they are traveling to another patch of woods. I plan on squirrel hunting this fall and certainly keeping the tails for flagging. Possibly just removing the innards and freezing fresh for bait.

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