Mountain Man Monday 8/17
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08/17/26 07:34 AM
08/17/26 07:34 AM
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Joined: Oct 2009
east central WI
k snow
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east central WI
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Last week we talked about powder horns, and there was a passage about not being able to start fires without a powder horn. Let's dig a little deeper into firestarting and see what the sources have to say. I found very little on how to actually start a fire, just a few passages, and none of them mention using a powder horn. I would guess (and guesses are just that) that the horn and bag were carried together, and losing the bag was the part that was important to fire starting. But, they may very well have been using powder to light their tinder. From Ruxton: Fire-making is a simple process with the mountaineers. Their bullet-pouches always contain a flint and steel, and sundry pieces of “punk” [16] or tinder; and pulling a handful of dry grass, which they screw into a nest, they place the lighted punk in this, and, closing the grass over it, wave it in the air, when it soon ignites, and readily kindles the dry sticks forming the foundation of the fire.From Clyman (his spelling is very creative): “Allthough the wind blew and the fine frosty snow crept in and around us this was not the worst for the cold hard frozen earth on which we lay was still more disagreeabi so that sleep was out of the Quetion by turning every method for rest day light at last apeared when we consulted what we had best do under the circumstances and it was agre that I should arise and gather some sage brush which was small and scarce and wold remain under the Buffaloe robe and keep his hands warm if posibi to strike fire But all our calculations failed for as soon our hands became exposed to the air they became so numb that we could not hold thee flint and Steel we then reourse to our guns with no better Success for the wind was So strong and for the want of some fine metireal to catch the fire in we or my comrade raped himslf in his robe and laid down after a great struggle I made out to saddle my hore and was about to leave the inhospitable not wishing to leave my friend I asked him if he Could ride if I saddled his horse but he thought not and was unwilling to try I then made several unsuccesful efforts to obtain fire Just as I was about to mount and leave I run my hand in the ashes to see if any warmth remained to my Joy found a small cole of fire alive not larger than a grain of Corn throwing it in to hand full of metirial I had gathered it starte a blaze in a minuit and in one minuit more I had a fine fireFrom George Catlin: Mah-to-toh-pa sat cross-legged before me, cleaning his pipe and preparing it for a cheerful smoke when I had finished my meal. For this ceremony I observed he was making unusual preparation, and I observed as I ate, that after he had taken enough of the k’nick-k’neck or bark of the red willow, from his pouch, he rolled out of it also a piece of the “castor,” which it is customary amongst these folks to carry in their tobacco-sack to give it a flavor; and, shaving off a small quantity of it, mixed it with the bark, with which he charged his pipe. This done, he drew also from his sack a small parcel containing a fine powder, which was made of dried buffalo dung, a little of which he spread over the top, (according also to custom,) which was like tinder, having no other effect than that of lighting the pipe with ease and satisfaction. My appetite satiated, I straightened up, and with a whiff the pipe was lit, and we enjoyed together for a quarter of an hour the most delightful exchange of good feelings, amid clouds of smoke and pantomimic signs and gesticulations.From Zenas Leonard: On the fourth I happened where the wolves had killed a buffaloe. — Here I satisfied my appetite by collecting all the meat that was left on the bones, made a fire by rubbing two sticks together, and cooked itLost Greenhorn by Alfred Jacob Miller ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2026/08/full-13020-299008-lostgreenhorn3.png)
"in the midst of a savage wilderness to depend entirely upon their unassisted strength and hardihood"
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Re: Mountain Man Monday 8/17
[Re: k snow]
#8650071
08/17/26 07:46 PM
08/17/26 07:46 PM
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Joined: Aug 2008
ny
upstateNY
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ny
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Funny what we take for granted these days.
the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
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Re: Mountain Man Monday 8/17
[Re: k snow]
#8650095
08/17/26 09:43 PM
08/17/26 09:43 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Oregon
beaverpeeler
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Oregon
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Castor infused tobacco...well, they have castor extract in ice cream too right?
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Mountain Man Monday 8/17
[Re: beaverpeeler]
#8650100
08/17/26 09:58 PM
08/17/26 09:58 PM
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Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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Castor infused tobacco...well, they have castor extract in ice cream too right? Why a lot of castoreum winds up in the middle east-gotta fill the hookah.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Mountain Man Monday 8/17
[Re: beaverpeeler]
#8650173
08/18/26 07:07 AM
08/18/26 07:07 AM
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Joined: Oct 2009
east central WI
k snow
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OP
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east central WI
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Castor infused tobacco...well, they have castor extract in ice cream too right? And with just a hint of powdered buffalo chip, just to get it going.
"in the midst of a savage wilderness to depend entirely upon their unassisted strength and hardihood"
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Re: Mountain Man Monday 8/17
[Re: EdP]
#8650181
08/18/26 07:24 AM
08/18/26 07:24 AM
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Joined: Oct 2009
east central WI
k snow
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OP
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east central WI
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It would appear that powdered buffalo chip will catch a spark. Unfortunately, I am fresh out of buffalo chip to try. The history nerd in me kinda wants to try it out now. Maybe not to light a pipe, but to see how well it catches a spark. I am guessing cow chips wouldn't work the same. I do know of a buffalo farm not too far from home, maybe I'll have to stop by.
"in the midst of a savage wilderness to depend entirely upon their unassisted strength and hardihood"
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Re: Mountain Man Monday 8/17
[Re: k snow]
#8650193
08/18/26 07:57 AM
08/18/26 07:57 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
williamsburg ks
danny clifton
"Grumpy Old Man"
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"Grumpy Old Man"
Joined: Dec 2006
williamsburg ks
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I bet if you had a time machine you could trade a self igniting propane torch for half s dozen horses, new clothes and 2-3 wives.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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