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Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? #8544111
01/13/26 10:07 PM
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Trap free Montana is now passing around a meme saying that this Carter guy is saying foothold traps were never used on ANY of the wolf reintroduction projects.
Who is this Carter guy?? Anyone know anything about him?[Linked Image]

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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544117
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He worked for MT ADC in the 1970-80s that I know of. He was the western part of the state supervisor for MT in the early 1980. Heard he became a bunny hugger. He hauled me ADC coyotes to skin in the early 1980's


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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544126
01/13/26 10:47 PM
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Can he speak for ALL of the wolf reintroduction programs?? Or just the Yellowstone one?


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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544127
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He’s a wolfer. Even wrote a book about it.

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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544128
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Consider the source. Carter trapped wolves with foot traps. Period.

Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544202
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Craig O'Gorman mentioned him in his "Hoofbeats" book as an ADC supervisor.

Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544256
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Footholds and snares…….if they could get to them before they died. The Alberta trappers didn’t care either way so they said that they better check the sets often…..lol
Great book, unless you’re one of those “smoke a pack a day” or “only good wolf is a dead wolf” kinda guys.
He made himself a lot of enemies on both sides of the fence by just calling it like it is. If the truth doesn’t fit someone’s narrative or ideology, they’re wrong or stupid…….the truth hurts sometimes and some people won’t accept it.
He lays pretty low, but I think he’s a true wolfer. He knows his stuff.
I was worried about buying that book as there was a lot of folks that said he was anti trapping and a wolf lover. He’s a normal guy who wants the best management for the species, just like most of us.

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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544268
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Is there any evidence that refutes this claim?


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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544353
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When I took the required MTFWP wolf trapping course a state biologist did a demo of the sets they use to trap wolves for research purposes. The trap they were using was a LPC 7 with teeth. She said the teeth allowed the foot to drain instead of swelling up. Everything I’ve read about the introduction of wolves here (and that’s a lot) indicates that all the wolves from Canada were caught with foot hold traps. I wouldn’t believe anything footloose mt has to say.


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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544366
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I remember reading about the wolf introduction early on when it was happening and they were using footholds to catch them.

Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544466
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Originally Posted by foxkidd44
Is there any evidence that refutes this claim?

Does it really matter. You act like it is going to be a game changer for you. Elkguy and Yes sir just said they used them, you should feel better now.


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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: MJM] #8544479
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by foxkidd44
Is there any evidence that refutes this claim?

Does it really matter. You act like it is going to be a game changer for you. Elkguy and Yes sir just said they used them, you should feel better now.

I wholeheartedly believe that foothold traps were used…no game changer for me personally,,, it’s for those individuals who are still undecided and cold hard proof could help those folks who are still forming opinions.
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Originally Posted by Elkguy
When I took the required MTFWP wolf trapping course a state biologist did a demo of the sets they use to trap wolves for research purposes. The trap they were using was a LPC 7 with teeth. She said the teeth allowed the foot to drain instead of swelling up. Everything I’ve read about the introduction of wolves here (and that’s a lot) indicates that all the wolves from Canada were caught with foot hold traps. I wouldn’t believe anything footloose mt has to say.


Drain what? I can't picture ever using teeth on traps. A good paw catch with a good trap shouldn't cause any problems.


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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544508
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Swelling.... edema ...the small cuts into the paw allow the fluids to exit and allowing a quicker heal time.

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David mech advocated the of the 14 newhouse for wolves as the most humane wolf trap for years. 14s 7s and 8lpc with teeth are still used mech even had his own variant of the 14 he used on island royale wolves. This is not a secret or misconception its a fact. Teeth hold the foot secure and allow edema fluid from swelling drain

Lets not pretend carter the liar doesnt make alot more money working for animal rights groups then being a trapper.
A liar is a liar is a liar. He may have been a great wolfer....but just a lieing puke now.

You can still see him helping the other side.
Some see him.as some great master something or another.
That is there perogative. I just cant stand a liar

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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: TravC] #8544594
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Originally Posted by TravC
David mech advocated the of the 14 newhouse for wolves as the most humane wolf trap for years. 14s 7s and 8lpc with teeth are still used mech even had his own variant of the 14 he used on island royale wolves. This is not a secret or misconception its a fact. Teeth hold the foot secure and allow edema fluid from swelling drain

Lets not pretend carter the liar doesnt make alot more money working for animal rights groups then being a trapper.
A liar is a liar is a liar. He may have been a great wolfer....but just a lieing puke now.

You can still see him helping the other side.
Some see him.as some great master something or another.
That is there perogative. I just cant stand a liar


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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: TravC] #8544599
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Originally Posted by TravC
David mech advocated the of the 14 newhouse for wolves as the most humane wolf trap for years. 14s 7s and 8lpc with teeth are still used mech even had his own variant of the 14 he used on island royale wolves. This is not a secret or misconception its a fact. Teeth hold the foot secure and allow edema fluid from swelling drain

Lets not pretend carter the liar doesnt make alot more money working for animal rights groups then being a trapper.
A liar is a liar is a liar. He may have been a great wolfer....but just a lieing puke now.

You can still see him helping the other side.
Some see him.as some great master something or another.
That is there perogative. I just cant stand a liar


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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: foxkidd44] #8544632
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…. Hey Donner … one thing about Trav is you always know where he stands lol


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Re: Who is Carter Niemeyer? Wolf dude?? [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8544633
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
Originally Posted by Elkguy
When I took the required MTFWP wolf trapping course a state biologist did a demo of the sets they use to trap wolves for research purposes. The trap they were using was a LPC 7 with teeth. She said the teeth allowed the foot to drain instead of swelling up. Everything I’ve read about the introduction of wolves here (and that’s a lot) indicates that all the wolves from Canada were caught with foot hold traps. I wouldn’t believe anything footloose mt has to say.


Drain what? I can't picture ever using teeth on traps. A good paw catch with a good trap shouldn't cause any problems.

Read an article once about teeth on the wolf trap. Guy trapped wolves for reintroduction and for studies and he said the foot sliding back and forth in the jaws caused more serious damage than teeth also

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They used traps with teeth in WI when doing wolf research. I believe it was the 14 Newhouse.


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